The DVD from the IBO luncheon recall debate arrived here today and I transcribed a couple of parts here and will update throughout the weekend. Please know that these are literal translations and I am not responsible for grammatical errors.
Stufflebean: People keep talking about the process was flawed. Coos County Commissioners and our managers followed the process by law in order to do what was right for you as a taxpayer. There was no hidden agendas, there was no secret meeting, everything was done on the up and up and we have all the public proof, all the meetings were documented, all the agendas were listed as a matter of fact, if we were trying to be secretive there is no way at any time that I would have had a conversation with a member of the South Coast Labor Council that handles the media information on December 3rd saying we needed to look at a budget reduction and layoffs in the road department. At no time if I felt I was being secretive would I ever had that discussion with somebody, with South Coast Labor Council. So that right there discredits any information they talk about when they say we were trying to be secretive.
There are so many language mechanic flaws in this first claim that I almost don’t know where to begin but I must note the phrase ‘if I felt I was being secretive’ only because no one cares how he felt but rather what he did. Also, a South Coast Labor Council representative believed to be the person Kevin is referring to has no idea what he is talking about. Regardless, it is a moot point because why, why, why would Kevin rely upon a labor council or members of the public at the meetings or the media to inform the road workers they were being laid off? Why not do it himself? He was acting road master at the time.
Next snippet
Stufflebean: 15:45 This is the appalling part ladies and gentlemen that I find absolutely appalling is that my conversation with Coquille Sentinel media absolutely identified that the business manager for the Teamsters Union in Portland hem hawed around that he knew about it the 23rd of December, there is no way that we were being secretive about these layoffs, we insured that individuals were notified. Even on the 26th, I was off that day I called in to work that day to make sure that the individuals were notified. They were notified, we received a final information on December 31st it was written right on our minutes that we would be having an executive session on that day because we needed to clarify some legal issues. We clarified those.
So what is the appalling part? That he claims to have described to The Sentinel a hemming and hawing Teamsters’ business manager? Is that appalling? No one at The Sentinel has any recollection of this ‘absolute identification’ and did not start covering the layoffs until, ta da, after they had occurred because there were no press releases regarding pending layoffs. Presumably, unless there was a collective brain washing amongst all the local media, no one received any press releases. So, is Kevin appalled because The Sentinel did not report to its readers that according to Kevin Stufflebean, Teamsters 223 business manager hems and haws?
We are not clear what Kevin was appalled about, though it clearly isn’t that he did not notify the public about the layoffs, but as Jean says, “whatever it was, it was appalling and he was appalled.”
Lets challenge Kevin to produce the people that were notified, December 3, December 16, December 23 and whomever he is talking about on December 26 and demand to know of these well informed people why no one else in the County knew about the layoffs, including the workers, until they heard about it on the radio and in the paper after it had happened?
Also, Kevin used the organization chart which he just held up and no one could see, to claim he clearly showed that 22 people were losing their jobs. Later I will scan that chart and add it here and you can decide for yourself.
Next, I had an exchange with County Counsel yesterday which I will include here
Me: Hello Jackie,
Kevin has advised the reason he requested the December 16, 2008 executive session held at the end of a budget work session not be recorded was at your behest. Given Coos County has the ability to and regularly records executive sessions, why would you advise him in advance to request handwritten notes for this session?
You have been served a subpoena to supply notes or tapes of the executive sessions relating to the layoff of twenty-two road workers and the ULP with ERB. Will you comply with the subpoena?
Also, have you prepared a written opinion to the Board for applying the Nollan and Dolan precedents to the ORC, West Beaver Hill road improvement issue surrounding Condition 13? If so will you please provide a copy?
Thank you,
Mary Geddry
Haggerty:
All legal advice to the Board is protected by the attorney-client privilege.Me: Will you comply with the subpoena?
Thank you,
Mary Geddry
The Employment Relations Board has advised me the County has the right to file a motion to quash the subpoena. If they do and the ALJ denies their motion they will have to comply based upon the rules used at ERB. There may be civil options to deny the subpoena but the ALJ I spoke with was not aware of any.
Later I will post the part where Kevin accuses Bob Main of being in collusion with the road workers and Bob’s quote to me when I told him.
UPDATE:Did Kevin and Nikki meet in a quorum and agree to this? Kevin uses the term “We”.
Stufflebean: 26:10 We actually did consider that but the problem we ran into was that it was obvious that Commissioner Main had already met with uh, members of the road department and made promises to them he couldn’t meet. Our job was to move forward with the process that was best for the taxpayers and not looking at hidden agendas like so many individuals have.
UPDATE #2Road Dept Organizational Chart used during December 16, 2008 budget work session that Kevin claims clearly shows people will be laid off.
Comment by den on 18 April 2009:
The problem is I don’t know where, or what, I was slapped up, upon. But I felt something. So,I just slept upon it before taking another chance.
Boy Den, do I understand. I woke up many, many Sunday mornings years ago saying the EXACT SAME THING.
I hated when that happened.
But I won’t go into it here.
SOME of us have manners.
Or nothing to brag about, not sure.
Body language – When Einstein states, “he never had a conversation on the side about the layoffs beforehand”, he signals a contradicting facial expression. He raised his right cheek & lip. Right side of lip, dead giveaway. A flat out lie. Slick Willey chomping his gum throughout the debate but once he tells the little white lie he stiffens his jaw with no chomping.
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Glad you toughed it out, den
The problem is I don’t know where, or what, I was slapped up, upon. But I felt something. So,I just slept upon it before taking another chance.
I am already on the edge!
themguys, you would… ( I used a lot of restraint believe me ) so don’t get me going again or poor den will be afraid to post here any more.
Oh Magix, I love it when you talk dirty.
The organizational chart Kevin claims makes it clear there are going to be layoffs is now available on the post above
All I know is my company lawyer, if he believed I was treading thin ice and in danger of litigation, would first beat me about the head and shoulders for considering it, demand that I behave and then quit if I did it anyway. A reputable lawyer (I know, I know, this is an oxymoron) would have to resign to protect their license.
Why you wouldn’t be suggesting to Teabag Haggerty then cut her from the budget would you? I my eye’s I am out, I say we go straight to cutting her from the budget. Her ill advised council has cost the taxpayers of Coos County nearly 3/4’s of a million dollars, on this little stunt alone. If one were to dig, I bet you might even turn up one of her family members on the receiving end of a no bid contract. Wouldn’t be too tough with a gene pool of five deep at best. Extinction through absorption is a common phenomenon throughout some counties…
If by formal you mean an official public records request, no. Personally, I am more focused upon why Haggerty would advise her client to request written notes. Was it in anticipation that the actions about to be undertaken by the Board would lead to litigation? If so, why not advise against the action?
Oh my gosh!!! I have teabaggers (not the protesting kind, the other kind) ejaculating cunningly disguised, overtly subversive innuendo right here on my own blog!
What have we come to?
On March 11, I submitted a public document/information request to Counsel for the exact parts of these cases, Dolan and Nollan that were used by the County counsel to determine proportionally and specify where cited or referenced in these cases the proportionally as applied to paragraph 13.
Today, 4/1/2009 I receive back my response. I received Dolan and Nollan by e-mail on 3/11/09, and today a letter “These are the cases (Dolan and Nollan) that deal with rough proportionality of conditions in land use casesâ€. And, in the response also a reminder that “records you are referring to are exempt from inspection pursuant to ORS 192.502(9)(a) {records otherwise made confidential or privileged under Oregon law} and ORS 40.225 {attorney-client privilege}â€.
This day at the BOC, 4/1/2009, we learned, currently there are two documented phrases to justify the requirement to assign proportionally to the cost of road maintenance where the county plays some, and the heavy user (the corporation) pays some. And they are:
“The other Counties are doing itâ€.
“Cases that deal with rough proportionalityâ€.
So, there you have it. Clearly, specifically justified, documentation of how proportionality was determined to be applied in this case through paragraph 13 to the county to have a share, and the user to have a share in cost to maintain our roads.
Mary’s exchange with County Counsel:
“Also, have you prepared a written opinion to the Board for applying the Nollan and Dolan precedents to the ORC, West Beaver Hill road improvement issue surrounding Condition 13? If so will you please provide a copy?â€
Mary, have you or someone else requested a formal response for documentation.
I had thought of a couple ways to have this happen. The counsel is not compelled by citizens to explain anything, they work for the Commissioners. So, An agenda item at the BOC with this request. Or, during public comment at the BOC, for the record, letter, to each Commissioner, handed to them, then read into the record. Can’t be more than three minutes.
I’ll give themguys some of what I got, a bowl of cookies and cream on a warm brownie. MMMM! YUM!
Geez go figure, they’re old enough to know better than to try those things in public. Must be laws against it? Man alive, ‘cahoots, collusion, quorum, and don’t forget we already KNOW Kevin doesn’t know come from came.
Maybe we just ask too much.
The most interesting thing I found in Kevin’s claims about Bob was (and I have not transcribed that yet so this is loose paraphrasing) the use of the term ‘we’ as in ‘we new Bob was in cahoots’… Does that constitute a ‘collusion’ between Nikki and Kevin? Did they get together in a quorum outside of a Board meeting and decide to exclude Bob?
Pretty serious stuff if they did
I WANT WHAT HE’S HAVING.
Bob Main scares the BaJesus out of me, because I know the roadies elected him because they had to have known that they needed to elect him to come to their rescue when I laid them off giving notice as early as Dec. 26. I also know if the roadies had enough votes to elect Bob Main that they can get enough votes to unelected me. And I am worried because no one has given me any donations to fight the recall not even the people I slipped no Bid contracts to and if they won’t give me money to fight this I can count on the fact that they will not give me a job when I get voted out either.
If I wanted to be secretive how would you know there was a secret, nobody would ever know because it would be! So there! I got you, nanny nanny boo boo…
What you don’t know that is secretive because I decided to keep it a secret is that my secret is that I have a secretive TINY ENCY BITTY TEENY WEENSY pig in the blanket. People have made prejudiced comments about it, asking what date I got my Hide-A-Dick. It was supposed to be a secret, that I am a trapped penis but thanks to the recall committee the secret is going to be a shorter secretive term member, in fact now I can no longer afford a surgical release because I am facing governmental release. So that right there discredits any information they talk about when they say we were trying to be secretive. Because it is not we but me…
Did you get all that? I bet not because I think if I just keep saying things you will eventually not be able to follow what I have said and just take my word for it because I said it to be. And that is my little secret. I pinkey promise…