This should be an informative affair with questions from the audience and a fixed time limit to answer. (Perhaps they will borrow Nikki’s egg timer.) Stufflebean, clearly very comfortable speaking to an audience may have an advantage here, however, he is unused to presenting his statements in brief and may struggle to stay in the time limits. Van Elsberg presents well in public, typically makes his point with fewer words than Stufflebean, but is more thoughtful before speaking and has less opportunity to practice in public. The debate will not be graded on style, however, but content and the results will manifest via election results. Don’t miss this one!
IBO/Government Affairs Recall Forum
Coos County Commissioner Position #3
Commissioner Kevin Stufflebean & Chief Petitioner Larry Van Elsberg
The Mill Casino-Hotel Salmon Room
Format
11:30 to Noon—Lunch and networking
Noon to 12:05—Welcome by Timm Slater, Government Affairs Chair, and introduction of the Forum moderator Tim Novotny
12:05 to 12:55
· Tim introduces both parties briefly & comments on the way the forum will run. 5 minutes
· Introductory statements by each party covering issues, ideas, vision for Coos County, etc. and answering the question, “How does this recall impact business success and future opportunities?†These statements will be 10 minutes each. Total 20 minutes
· Questions & Answers. The audience will generate written questions which will be collected for Tim. He will review them, eliminate duplications and pose the questions to Kevin and Larry. Responses will be up to 2 minutes for each candidate. Total 20 minutes
· Summary Statements by each candidate—3 minutes each for a total of 6 minutes
Hi All
The Coos County campaign for liberty meets each month at the Coney Station in Coos Bay. There meetings start at 6 P.M. You can order food if you want, or just come to listen to the guest when they have one. I like to get there just a little early and order some food.
The guest tonight is Kevin Stufflebean. It is open to the public, might want to come by. Guest are at the first part of the meeting.
den
I am going to play dumb here. I am anyway about this subject. Does the County own the equipment to lay asphalt. When the road, 101 was repaved last summer in font of my house they first scraped off so many inches of the current asphalt, to recycle. Then came this big piece of equipment which was a lane wide moving over the new asphalt just dropped on the road by trucks. This equipment I guess uniformly spread and controlled the thickness, then came the rollers to finishes up.
This is just a general description of what I saw. What part of this process, capability did the County have before lay offs. And, what now must be contracted or new job training be accomplished to run our own equipment or to be on the job, doing part of this process when the contractor is working.
The contractor bring their own employes don’t they.
The actual knowledge of the process and the County capabilities before and after lay off, is sadly lacking by the general public. Here I am general public.
Can one of the road persons, step in and educate us. I think that would be a big help when were talking about $450,000 going into Beaver Hill Road, and the figures of 5 million of asphalts projects in the works, build us a picture. There is also $500,000.00 in asphalt shown in the Road Department budget. How does that dollar amount of asphalt get on the road.
Another question relating to this is: Do you get the full dollar value of the asphalt as $500,000.00 or do you get half that and the rest goes into labor, man hours and equipment cost?
I don’t believe it was a stockpile of material, rather more a sequestering of funds to be used only for asphalt. Strategic purchases might have been discussed – alas, the new roadmaster does not know how to run the paving equipment so they must bring in ‘consultants’ to train the crew.
Den, I’m tired right now, but I could swear Kevin was bragging about how high the price of ashphalt was going to be, and that he bought 5 million dollars worth for future use.
I don’t think I’m completely nuts on this, but I won’t rule it out either.
I know the figure was 5 million.
“Den, where did Stufflebutt put the $5,000,000.00 worth of ashphalt? Where did he find money for that? Is it money already spent?
Thank you Den for your work. Much appreciated.
Anyone else with ANY information we can present publicly to Kevin will help.
Also, when asked a question WE MUST MAKE SURE STUFFLEBUTT AND WITTLESS ANSWER.
In our nervousness, sometimes we just rattle on and they escape answering. At that moment WE ALL have to MAKE him answer, even if it takes over and over times.
Sounds like funâ€
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By looking at the budget a question comes in to mind. Is the 5 million, or is it five hundred thousand? Is it this budget year, or is it combined years to get to a total of 5 million.
The budget can be downloaded from here:
http://www.co.coos.or.us/treasurer/index.html
I also posted it on this page, but I do not know if it will post in the blog.
Once you have the budget open to page 72, item 431.22-30 ASPHALT. 2005-2006, $456,940. 2006-2007, $525,981. 2007-2008 $500,000. 2008-2009 $500,000. Put that together it equals $1,982,921, close to 2 million.
For, four years total that is just close to 2 million. I am sure the cost of an Asphalt job includes the total cost, of preparation, time, not just the materials. The only way to pin this down is do a public document request of all asphalt jobs in the years requested. And then proceed from there to determine, again with request the cost of each job.
I was told that when the airport was under construction materials were hauled away form the site and dumped in a location North, across the McCulla bridge third road on the right, after the bridge, north side of Haynes Inlet. I went up Marine way, right off Highway 101 North. Most of that road to the top of the hill has new payment, one -three years old. After arriving on top of the hill, staying on the main road for a bit, with a yellow double line in the center, you come to a Y with several road names. There is a road to the right on top of the hill, not concidered here.
Private drive to the left at the Y, Hillcrest Drive, 500-501-503-505-506, address numbers, a house for sale, and a for rent sign. If you go down Hillcrest Drive, it is paved with Asphalt, quite new, for a long way, single lane.
The other roads, Hillcrest Lane & Shorewood Drive, back at the Y, seem to be the right hand leg of the Y. Old pavement. Alder Court & Hillcrest Drive, also the right leg at the Y, are old pavement.
Is this County paving job, on either of these roads? Once that is determined, as well as other paving projects, can the cost be added up for the totals.
If you are remembering back when Pete DeMain, county commissioner was having some trouble with his arithmetic. He had a little help with a public document request to determine the mis spoke, to be a lie. Oops, not politically correct here.
Den, I quit the World Forum when Webby brought in a mass of nasty bloggers from I-5 corrider. They are now poking everyone in the eye who tries to post. Webby scolds the locals for pointing out the fact these people live 50 miles away, have no idea who they’re picking fights with, and are mean-spirited and nasty anyway.
I wouldn’t waste time with it,and I tried to keep issues current there, but I can’t talk with them anymore.
It’s too bad, as no one local is willing now to fight with people who have no idea what the issues are.
Seems Webby simply wants to be paid for the hits he gets.
If you can tolerate it, it may be possible to get info out on there, but I don’t think you can, perhaps WEbby brought them in as hit-men anyway. They don’t want too much info getting out, and now they keep it that way.
I posted my above article on the world forum, this was a response to Queues comment.
http://www.theworldforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1261&p=20025#p20025
Queue, I don’t respond because I don’t know what pm is to mean. I don’t address responses about the person, I write about subjects and information. Sometimes I get it wrong. Your right it take 2 hours to watch 60 minutes. I often have to spend more time to get it right. The DVD is now on Channel 14, starts on Friday 4/10/09 and runs through 4/16/09. I do not have my DVD copy yet so I can not say much about what the world reported. I sure don’t remember much about the budget and where funds would be coming from. I wrote just my impression of the dynamics of the event.
http://www.theworldlink.com/articles/2009/04/11/news/doc49df7cdd61896723041563.txt
My purpose is to give ya all a another perspective on the subject. The World view is, that their is only one County Commissioner, and she is the expert. The proposed expert who was acting road master and may have the most factional information along with an opinion, Kevin had no mention. The new commissioners, Bob also had no mention in the article. The perspective from the world is interesting.
I don’t remember the last paragraph in the article “whether the department has enough people to run the equipment and what work will be done with the machinery” as the issue. The issue was centered around the procedure, and necessity.
Your so right, ask the question, the next person to talk– the person asked the question of. Me guilty also. But, ever notice Nikki’s skill of interrupting to change the subject or ovoid the question.
The $5,000,000.00 on the cuff, could be best answered by the road department personnel currently not working. We could compile a list. I know for one there is road just north of the bridge, could be called HillCrest Drive. What I don’t know is, what, last year is, or if this is part of the $5mil. This is the road the material from the Airport was hauled upon for dumping, the road was used up, so to say.
Let us start a list, then it be part of a public document request when asking for all paying projects involving asphalt placement in 2007-2008 and 2008-2009 roads, and the cost of asphalt used on each road project. May want to go back to the 2006-2007 year. This may cost some doe. Should not be too much. I bet this information is already available in some report. Or maybe should be.
Den, where did Stufflebutt put the $5,000,000.00 worth of ashphalt? Where did he find money for that? Is it money already spent?
Thank you Den for your work. Much appreciated.
Anyone else with ANY information we can present publicly to Kevin will help.
Also, when asked a question WE MUST MAKE SURE STUFFLEBUTT AND WITTLESS ANSWER.
In our nervousness, sometimes we just rattle on and they escape answering. At that moment WE ALL have to MAKE him answer, even if it takes over and over times.
Sounds like fun !
Here is some cannon fodder, I posted this before, however I have now changed some words and paragraph around.
he Coos County Road Department is suffering a budget loss of one million dollars in the next budget cycle. 2009-10. Fortunately the reorganization of the department has taken this into account, the budget shortfall, and has created available funds for the proposed spending of $450,000.00 on Beaver Hill Road, and $766,000.00 on new equipment.
The Coos County Road Master, replacing Kevin Stufflebean, was in-between a rock and a hard place at the Commissioners worksession-Equipment Evaluation- Commissioners Courtroom, 2 P.M. April 7, 2009
Here he is suggesting the purchase of $766,000.00 of new replacement Road Department equipment, right away. And, at the same time having an out of County Auction to unload older equipment. Witch would provide some funding of the new equipment.
Why, a rock and a hard place. Bob Main informed the road master, that time spend on selecting, and preparing old equipment for disposal and sale, and time spend for needs of new equipment including cost and preparing of bid proposals is time spend at the approval of the County Commissioners.
Mr. Main continues with, that request had not come before the County Commissioners. The tension of the situation was further escalated by Mr. Main pointing out that two pieces of new equipment had “bid date April 13th, 09â€, and another new piece of equipment a “bid date of April 20th, 09â€
In defense, the road master expressed he had to do the best with the resources available, and that he had received directions from the Liaison of the Department. (Also the person who hired him).
Mr., Main again explained procedures for purchase and sale of equipment first start with the approval of the Commissioners.
Kevin spoke in, the procedure used by him, Kevin, has been the way it has always been done by the County.
As the two titans, one on each side of Nikki Whitty went at it, it was about all she could do to control the situation.
The road master helped, alone with Nikki to defuse the disagreement, by indicating this is now what is being done, a description of new equipment request, request of sale of older equipment, and some time periods where this could be accomplished. No decisions today.
Bob, indicated all of this was way ahead of schedule, and, is this the time to be doing this?
Kevin, indicated the Road department is right on schedule.
Nikki, the mediator.
The road master, doing the best with what I have.
Do you believe this happen. Watch Channel 14, the government channel, they were there and filmed it. Then you decide. You can purchase a DVD of this meeting from Channel 14. or from the County.