There is a very insightful and thoughtful post up at Dian’s blog from a read who contacted her regarding the grand jury findings. In particular I want to call attention to the obvious issue of what information was actually presented to the grand jury by the DA.
It was once said that a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich at a grand jury if they wanted to. The meaning is that because the prosecutor controls which witnesses appear, which “experts” appear and there is no provision for the defense or even counter arguments to be presented, that the proceeding is skewed in favor of the DA’s case to charge (or not to charge.)
So the question becomes, did the DA handle this grand jury properly? Well, perhaps no one outside of the proceedings will know that for sure.
This goes beyond the Carl Foster case because the lack of trust in the police department and the law enforcement community as a whole is born of repeated events like this one. Justice is not blind and will not be unless the community stops choosing sides and works together toward transparency and rebuilding trust. No one believes Foster resisted arrest. No one believes an impartial investigation took place. No one has faith that Frasier seriously wanted to get to the bottom of what happened.
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P.S. IF U WOULD LIKE TO MEET CARLS FAMILY IF U DONT ALREADY KNOW THEM I SUGGEST YOU TO STOP BY IN ALLEY ABOUT 1/2 WAY DOWN RIGHT ON THE SHARP CORNER ON N.COLLIER I THINK SOMEWHERE AROUND THE 700 BLOCK IF SEEMS THE FAMILY MENTIONED IS CARLESON SON CASEY THE JEWEL AND PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE NEXT TO INHERITE CARLS FAMILY’S NEW FOUND WEALTH FAIRLY SOON AFTER WINNER OR WHATEVER THIS SUDDENLY AFTER SHE IS AHHHHH AHHHHHHHH (NOT REALLY SURE WHT OR HOW TO SAY)THIS SEEMLY DISFUNCTIONAL WHATEVER WHATEVER IS GRANTED A PENNY BUT ONLY PLEASE IF YOUR ARE PHYSCIALLY FIT AND ABLE BE ABLE TO DEFEND YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES IF U DECIDE TO ACCEPT THIS MISSION BUT SERIOUSLY RECOMMEND !!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT U GO DOWN ALLEY SOMEWHT LIKE OVER AROUND ROSEBURG AT THE WILDLIFE DRIVETHROUGH ZOO OR EVEN WORSE OR BETTER I CANT REALLY AND THE FIRST TIME AFTER U CAN PICTURE WHO THIS YOUNG MAN THIS IS AND POSITIVE U WILL BE IS EXACTLY WHAT THESE LAST CPLE SENTENCES LIKE THIS GEM: PLEASE FORGIVE ME PEOPLE BUT I SEEM TO HAVE WAY TO MUCH ANGER TOWARD THIS FAMILY SINCE HE IS THE PERFECT CANDIATE FOR THE PERSON MOST ARRESTED ,RELEASED, CHARGED ???? FINICALLY FOR ANY CRIME HE HAS COMMITTED NOT AS FAR AS MOST OR ALL WHO ACTUALLY SEEM TO SOMEHOW OWE COUNTY,CITY,STATE,THE CRIME VICTIMS THING IN THE COURT HOUSE THAT I CANT OR WILL NEVER STOP TRYING TO DISCOVER , UNCOVER, WHATEVER,I FELT AFTER 2ND QUESTION THAT I SHOULD JUST STOP ASKING ALL THESE RIDICIOUSLY APPARENT QUESTIONS ME AND MY PARTNER THAT HAD JUST STARTED OUR COLLEGE CAREERS BOTH LOOKED AT EACH
OTHER AND SAID YEP I THINK THATS EVERYTHING BACKING OUT OF THOSE DOORS THEN TURN AND RUN BRISKLEY KINDA SKIPPED THEN GOT TO OUR CAR AND WERE DRIVING OFF UNTIL WE HIT THE FIRST ROAD INTO BRUSH AND BOTH WERE JUST EITHER IN THE WRONG OFFICE OR SOMETHING FOR SURE THEN DISCUSSED HOW THE ONE OFFICE THAT WAS THE GOING TO BE THE EASIST WHT WILL BE DO AROUND THE CORNER AT THE VAULT, OR CHECK IN TO PRISON BUT IF U HAVE YOUR CLASSMATE GET SOME AIR MAYBE, OR MAYBE JUST BE BECAUSE THAT IS THE MOST UNCOMPFORTABLE FEELING ANYWHERE AROUND THAT WINDOW CUZ ANYONE FROM CHILDHOOD ON UP HAS A FUNNY STORY ABOUT HOW UNCOMFORTABLE OR THINKING WHEN U R ASKING A PERSON DO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IT ,,,, BUUUUUUT THEN U MEET UP WITH SOME VERY UNHAPPY FORCEFULL ALMOST KINDA HAS BCK UP WITH A CITY COP MAYBE ON SECOND FLOOR JUST IN TIME U SHOULD ASK A QUESTION OR TWO AND AND MAYBE DISCUSS SLOWLY ABOUT THEN SHE WILL READ HOW CONVICTIONS ,CHARGES OR PENDING,STILL KINDA LOOKING INTO MAYBE 10 TO 15 AT LEAST!!!!!!!!! AND ABOUT 15 TO 20 MINUTES OF HER READING THIS UNBELIEVABLE DOCUMENT THAT SEEMS WAY MORE THAN U COULD THINK THIS KID IN QUESTION COULD HAVE AT AGE 21 22 IS NOTHING BUT SHOCKING METH , AHHH ALOT OF THINGS THAT ARENT WHT SHE IS TELLING YOU OUT OF THIS POLICE FILE ,BOOK,NOVEL,OR WHT THE HELL IT WAS BUT WAS THICK AND IT IS APPERENT TO URGENTLY BEGGING U TO HELP THIS COMMUNITY AND ITS CITIZENS OR U YOUR SELF WILL BE GOING TO TRAIL RITE AFTER U GIVE US EVERYTHING WE R JUST LEAVE U IN JAIL TO ROT UNTIL U DECIDE TO TESTIFY SERIOUSLY AND THOUGHT WHILE SHE CALMED DOWN AND CLIMBED DOWN FROM MY CHEST AND WIPED HER SWEAT OFF WITH HER SHIRT SLOWLY MUMBLING SMNTHNG LIKE WHY DO I CARE SOOOO MUCH ??????? SO AS I WAS SLOWLY DECIDING SHE WAS TOTALLY NOTICED THAT THERE IS NOW SHE IS ABSOULTY RIGHT AND SHOULD PROBABLY SHOULD MAYBE TAKE SOMETIME AND GET SOME FRESH AIR QUICKLY THEN REALIZED I HAD LEFT MY GAS STOVE ON AT SSPRALLING VISTA RANCH THAT IS SOMWHERE THAT IS IN THAT DIRECTION THEN FIGUREED AHHHHH HELL I WILL CALL WHEN WE LAND BYE,THEN SHORTLY AFTER A SHORT 15 HR PLANE TRIP AND A LITTLE BUMP FOR APPROXIMATLY OHHHH HMMMMM PROUBLY A SHORT KINDA SCENIC DRIVE AT NIGHT WHILE REALLY ENJOYING THE EXPERIENCE UNKNOW WITH THE LIGHT OFF TRAVELING WITH THE WIND AT UR HAIR AND OLD COUNTRY BOY U HAVE KNOWN ALL U R LIFE AND IN THE BACK SEAT WITH THE OLD FAMILY STAGECOACH 12 DOUBLE BARRELL THAT UR GRAMPS HAD MODIFIED SOMEWHAT FOR JUST EXACTLY WHAT EVERY KID I KNEW WISHED THEY COULD KILL SOMEDAY OR SEE THAT BLACKSOUTH SNIPE THAT R QUICK THATS WHY WE LEARNED TO DRIVE VERY FAST TO SEE 1 AFTER RESTING FOR A WEEK B4 THE SEVENTH SUMMINS TO APPEAR THE POOR GUY THAT HANDS THEM OUT WHICH IS SOMEONE THAT WILL DISCUSS U R OPTIONS AND KINDA APPRECIATES U MEETING UP TO SERVE U WHAT U MIGHT WANNA THNK ABOUT AND KNOWS HOW MUCH FEDERAL PRISON TIME U R LOOKING AT B Y NOT TESTIFYING OR POSSIBLE OR ASLONG AS U SUBMIT IF NOT U MIGHT SEE A RAPID RISE IN UR USE OF A BLINKER OR THAT TAIL LIGHT THAT FLICKERS OFF ON ON ON ON OK FIXED YELLS OFFICER (WHOEVER ) OR (WHENEVER) IT WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN CPLE DAYS B4 THE 15 ACTUAL TRIAL DATE JUST SEEMS TO U WHEN U THINK ABOUT IT HMMMMM DAMN ALOT OF CONCINDENCES FOR SURE BUT ANYWHO !!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS WENT ON FOR EVER SO I SAW HIS CRACK LEGAL DEFENSE TEAM BUT KNEW WHILE DEFENDANT GIRLFRND PLEASNTLY SMILIING ME AS THE DAD CONNECTED WITH ME IN A VERY SPIRTUAL WAY AND FELT AS EASE AS WE ENTERED THE LAST 45 MINUTES OF COOSCOUNTY BEST ATTRACTION THE DUEL SO WE ALL SQUEZZED OUT SLOWLY SO I COULD PRAY FOR THIS LITTLE DISRTECTFULL FAGGOT WITH HIS HAT ON SIDE WAYS I WAS GETTING READY TO SINK THIS WORTHLESS FREAK QUICKLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK TO LAST SEEN I’M IN THIS CHAIR RITE NEXT THE JUDGE SAYING SMNTHNG ABOUT MICROPOPHONE SO NOW ITS JUST THE JURY WHICH IS ALL MINE WITHOUT EVEN GOING DOWN ALL 12 JUST COULD FEEL IT 2ND QUESTION BY HIS CRACKHEAD LEGAL DEFENSE TEAM AND COMPLETE WASTE OF COUNTY TIME AND SPACE IS DONE IT WAS ALL THAT HE COULD THINK OF AND ITS MR GUY ON (MYSIDE???) THEN THAT WAS WAY EASY !!!!!!!!!! DAMN FITTING IN WITH U R PEOPLE AND DRESSING LIKE A GIRL OR U CANT REALLY DECIDED BUT PISSES U OFF ALOT!!!! THEN AFTER IT WAS OVER HIS DADDY AND I HAD A CHANCE TO SEE EACH OTHER OUTSIDE AS HE WAITED FOR HIS PRECIOUS LITTLE SON WHICH HAS JUST BEEN SETUP ,HUNG, MISINTERPETRATED ,WHATS STRANGE IS IM NOT HOSTILE OR VIOLENT TEMPERED ALL THE TIME JUST WHEN SOME WEASEL JUST HAS OFFENED U IN A WAY THAT his goes beyond the Carl Foster case because the lack of trust in the police department and the law e nforcement community as a whole is born of repeated events like this one. Justice is not blind and will not be unless the community stops choosing sides works together toward transparency and rebuilding trust. No one believes Foster resisted arrest. No one believes an impartial investigation took place. No one has faith that Frasier seriously wanted to get to the bottom of what happened.
oh damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!4 of us non competent computer users didnt just see how about the 10th time through from not reading capta code featured below the on 11th watched it scamble it to the point of wht ur seem to be reading above ok well im just going to step away slowly from this site 4of us were betting if it would go through time,out suddenly or and if u want more keep reading all the blah blah blah bye
AHHHHHHHHHHH LET ME START OUT SLOWLY “””” I M NOT REALLY SURE IF WHT I’VE JUST FINISHED READING IS FOR REAL OR IF ITS JUST SOME KIND OF FREAKY HUMOUR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! becuase i just so happen to believe if its wht we that live or might be stuck finacially becuase your home value and prop value go way beond wht (excuse the grammar and puncuation) is is even were there is alot of wealth (just go 2 web browser bing .com and read alittle i seen everyone of those filthy people and seen a reaction unlike before with wth them eveen seperating them and getting bit by bit na huh not a word ever seems like carl and family and frnds r so tight that thnk about the there were a few of these at the most 10 feet away were just waiting 4 carl to get home so that they can is one of those people at some business that stands rite behind u like he is waiting 4 u to move so he can get bye
concerned citizen
February 27, 2008 – 4:27 am
Oh just one more question, what do you really think you are going to accomplish by standing around by the court house?
if I could answer this ?
One thing we were hoping to accomplish was opening up dialog with who ever will listen…about two things that CCC feels is very important.
1. police accountability & what we see as the lack of
2. citizen education. namely citizens educated about the Law enforcement system & also what they can do to navigate it. knowing your civil rights for example
Standing around the courthouse, as flamelick puts it, I call: exercising my duty as a citizen to get involved. It’s about using the resources & rights available to the citizen to bring about change. Peaceful protest is akin to voting. Not every bodies cup of tea, but I sure like to see more Coquille citizens exercising that right, no matter what they are reppresenting.
One thing we achieved as a result of our public stand was some nice dialog with DA Paul Frasier.
I think he at least realizes we were not out to destroy Democracy.
magix
February 27, 2008 – 8:15 am
It is important to let people know that they are not alone. Many people will not even file a complaint out of fear. Not filing a complaint hurts everyone and allows abusive behavior to continue unchecked.
As will be seen by the Foster case and the eventual fallout from a civil suit this will end up damaging the community much more.
try to follow this article and i really dont apopogise for this is next cple words (maybe ) and ill briefly try to any with a shred of dignity ,which basciallly means 1500 hundred cash in this envelopes ive had since the grade 2 its fony money that i should have learned (boys
we were the only 2 this entire school house for hrs and it seeems everybody else got the simple way WOULD BE FOR ALOT OF US IN OUR MID 40’S JUST MAKE ME TAKE IT HOME AND BACK 4 2 WEEKS AND THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JUST WAIT TILL UR GRANNY OR MAYBE U HAS THERE PULSED CHECKED NEVER KNW U CAN UR BEST FRNDS 4 LIFE BY UR BEST FRNDS AH SEEMS LIKE HE IS GONE JUST LOOK AT POOR BOY DAMN HEY HONEY WHOIS GONNA BE WATCHING UR HOUSE HUH HUH SHAKE SHAKE RUB UR WALLET SPOT SLOWLY JUST BACKED OUT ALMOST SILENTLY AFTER THAT PRETTY MUCH THE MONEY AND THE GOLD TOOTH THE ONE WAY IN THE BACK TO HAVE BEEN WAITING TO SEE FINAL RESULTS , now come on any one who reads this if u thnk wht u just read plse try to thnk about wht happens and so fast even i thght and in a group and the whole point 2 wht this 15minutes is just some wierd methamphetiiiimphe or that maybe he is a heroin addict and probably should have happened cuz he had so much traffic he wouldnt even have known but ill and if u dont wannashow u boys how and wht i was anyone that could stand 2 see anythng u can ask 4 that i cant even get through and this last statement is the one that almost put to the floor
It is important to let people know that they are not alone. Many people will not even file a complaint out of fear. Not filing a complaint hurts everyone and allows abusive behavior to continue unchecked.
As will be seen by the Foster case and the eventual fallout from a civil suit this will end up damaging the community much more.
Oh just one more question, what do you really think you are going to accomplish by standing around by the court house?
if I could answer this ?
One thing we were hoping to accomplish was opening up dialog with who ever will listen…about two things that CCC feels is very important.
1. police accountability & what we see as the lack of
2. citizen education. namely citizens educated about the Law enforcement system & also what they can do to navigate it. knowing your civil rights for example
Standing around the courthouse, as flamelick puts it, I call: exercising my duty as a citizen to get involved. It’s about using the resources & rights available to the citizen to bring about change. Peaceful protest is akin to voting. Not every bodies cup of tea, but I sure like to see more Coquille citizens exercising that right, no matter what they are reppresenting.
One thing we achieved as a result of our public stand was some nice dialog with DA Paul Frasier.
I think he at least realizes we were not out to destroy Democracy.
Thank you for your comments. There are people who have complete faith in the justice system in Coos County. Some people also believe in fairies and elves, that Barack Obama is the al Qaeda equivalent of the Manchurian Candidate and that Chief Reaves is not rude he is just from the south.
I doubt seriously if even you believe that the investigation was completely impartial. Very few except those that believe in those fairies will either after they read the release. Even fewer who know Carl or the former girlfriend and her history.
Perhaps you too would do well to reach outside your circle and hear some of the stories we have been told. One of the officers involved has a far reaching reputation that extends well beyond the Coquille city limits.
What would you think of a baseball game between the police department and the ‘malcontents’? It could be a lot of fun, allow both the officers and the ‘hairy unwashed’ to view each other as fellow humans and citizens, share some beer and barbecue together and meet on different terms. It could be an annual event.
I understand that this is your blog and you can write what ever you want and thats fine.
I however feel that your last three sentences are a very broad assumption. Maybe no one in your circle believes Foster resisted, or an impartial investigation was conducted, or that Frasier wanted to get to the bottom of this.
I truly believe the majority of folks in Coquille know that Foster is no saint and his daughter is in denial if she thinks he is. You can’t possibly believe, even though I know you want to that all the agency’s invloved and all the officials involved with the investigation are corrupt. Frasier made his decision based on the findings of all those agency’s, so why is he the villian? why are you not gunning for all them as well?
Please try not to be so broad in your statements cause I really don’t want to be mixed in with your way of thinking….
Oh just one more question, what do you really think you are going to accomplish by standing around by the court house?