DOGAMI, the regulatory agency in charge of administering a mining permit issued to Oregon Resources for the extraction of chromite and other mineral deposits at the Seven Devils Mine Site off West Beaver Hill Road has followed upon previous warnings demanding compliance and mitigation with permit conditions. In a letter dated December 9, 2011 to Dan Smith, COO of ORC, flood plain specialist Vaughn Balzer details a continued failure to follow best management practices showing “…ongoing track out of sediment, indicating that track out is a reoccurring issue; and, the washing of that material off the West Beaver Hill Road is resulting in turbid storm water discharges that are not adequately being contained by the current BMPs.” Balzer explains that “Washing of a gravel road is not an approved BMP to address track out, and in fact creates a significant amount of turbid run off that has the potential to enter wetlands or other waters ofthe state.”
ORC has violated conditions of the NPDES 1200 A permit and a Notice of Violation and Compliance Schedule has also been issued detailing required corrections and detailing the consequences of failure to comply with the terms of their permits.
If you fail to comply with this Notice of Violation and Compliance Schedule, the department intends to take enforcement action against you. This may include, but is not limited to, recovery of the Letter of Credit for this site, issuance of a Suspension Order or the assessment of civil penalties for the violation of this order. If the department elects to recover the Letter of Credit, the funds will be used to reclaim the property as provided in ORS 517.865. If this amount is insufficient to complete the reclamation as outlined in the Reclamation Plan, a lien may be placed against the property to cover any deficiencies.
ORC has until January 9 to bring the site into compliance and submit a plan for mitigation.
To bring this site into compliance and to correct the violation(s) ORC must:
1. Develop a plan to ensure all equipment tires are clean prior to leaving the site. One acceptable method to accomplish this goal would be to install a wheel wash (passive or active) prior to trucks entering the large open rock section of the haul road immediately prior to turning on to West Beaver Hill Road. The plan must be submitted to DOGAMI for approval by January 09, 2012.
2. Implement the plan described in Compliance Order 1 of this schedule within 15 days of being notified that the plan has been approved by DOGAMI.
3. Cease the washing of any portion of Haul Road #2 until such time as ORC has formally amended the Haul Road Plan and the Storm Water Pollution Control Plan to include washing of specific sections of the haul road. The amended plan must delineate all wetlands within 300 feet of the specific sections of road that are proposed to be washed and include specific BMP’s that will be used to prevent pollution from entering any adjacent wetlands or other waters of the state.
4. Cease the conveyance and/or transfer of sediment onto West Beaver Hill Road until adequate roadside BMP’s, approved by DOGAMI, are in place to ensure that when the material is washed off the road the turbid storm water runoff does not enter adjacent wetlands or other waters of the state. 5. Submit documentation of daily site inspections conducted by the ECI as specified in ORC’s SWPCP by January 09, 2012.
6. After receiving approval for future road washing activities as outlined above, ORC’s ECI must; 1) prior to conducting any road washing activities, inspect and document the condition of all BMP’s adjacent to the section of road that will be washed; and 2) following the washing of the road, the ECI must observe and document the effectiveness of the BMP’s to ensure that they are effective at preventing turbid water from entering wetlands or other waters of the state. ORC must also arrange for a DOGAMI and/or DEQ representative to be present to observe road washing activities within 14 days of resuming those activities.
Most of the management of ORC come from a company tied to Iluka Resources in Georgia and Florida which also is documented to have ignored permit conditions. Many thanks to the state and local regulatory agencies who have taken this matter seriously and demanded that ORC use the best management practices it agreed to as part of receiving its permits.
Believe me, everything helps and I much appreciate it, especially as the blog needs to upgrade to handle increased traffic.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all
Like you, Salmonologist, I’ve had to let my crew live and work out of the area (with IP that is easier to do than for other industries), but it is sad that promoting the natural beauty of the area is looked down upon by the old guard. Yet it is the old guard that has promoted and sold every boondoggle from the T-Dock to the Crosline Ferry to the 12″ pipeline and now strip mining, coal and LNG. How do they even hold their heads high much less expect the public to believe their latest get rich scheme?
Seeing old newspaper articles reprinted in Wim’s book “The JOB Messiahs” shows nothing has changed in thirty years. Everything is about recreating the boom times, keeping our kids here in the county and, of course, everything is an emergency. Do it now, whatever it is, or it will be too late….
While the author and I may be on opposite sides of the political spectrum we can both recognize a scam when we see one.
Your voice is important and more and more people are seeing the folly of continuing down the same old path
Forgot to add, I was happy to donate towards your efforts, although not as much as I would have liked, because I appreciate your vigilance and hard work keeping us informed.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
M – I usually don’t engage in debates with folks like al and come on now because it is always an utter waste of my time. I regret that I allowed myself to be baited by what I consider “mental midgets”, but damn it, I live here too and I am tired of the regressive thinking that has kept Coos County in perpetual decline.
When I was looking to hire a new position a while ago, I had an OSU alumnus come down to apply, and after touring the area and seeing the pitiful waterfront/industrial areas in CB & NB promptly said “no thank you, my wife and I do not want to put down roots here, it doesn’t seem like they’re trying very hard to make this place an appealing area to live in”. And frankly, once you cross the bridge into NB and continue down to Bunker Hill on 101, there is only one small charming area downtown, and the rest of the drive is chain link and broken concrete. This is a scenic byway, used by hundreds of thousands of people every year, and all we can produce is a pockmark that folks race through before they stop in Bandon or Brookings. The folks in charge do not want to consider investing in the waterfront or downtown (cities can apply for grants to cover more than half the costs, sometimes all, but who wants to take the time to research and write a grant application…that is hard work and we may have to pitch in some funds!), and they complain that no one will use dog parks and public areas – except that whenever I drive by I see folks walking their dogs and people congregating there – and they say all that we have to offer is coal and pipelines and strip mining, where we get few precious jobs but bear the brunt of cost and liability. And what do we end up with? An ugly, dirty little blip on the highway, one that can’t attract new talent and is hemorrhaging its youth.
These same close-minded folks mock the ideas of revitalizing downtown and the waterfront – but if you do the research, the cities in Oregon that have beautiful public areas, a vibrant art scene, local small-businesses and community involvement are the cities rated the best places to live; Corvallis, Jacksonville, Ashland, to name a few, and these cities do not have the natural bounty we have here in Coos County, from forests and rivers right down to the seaside. There is a limited amount of oceanside property in the USA, and we have some! Why not capitalize on it and make this place a DESTINATION, not a “lock your doors and keep driving, honey” type of place? Small businesses are the true job creators and revenue generators. Instead of dredging and container ships, why are we not assisting/invigorating the oyster, crabbing and fishing industries? Why are we not having boat races, outdoor concerts and festivals along our beautiful waterfront? Saturday markets, craft breweries, holiday celebrations, pet events in our beautiful, revitalized, historical downtown…the possibilities are endless if we’d just get down and get our hands dirty….if we made Coos County a place people want to BE, then people will BE here, and so will their money. Think Florida Keys and Newark – which would you rather visit?
But that all requires rational thinking, creativity and hard work. It’s much easier to robotically repeat what you have been told to repeat by the people giving you a handout, and act like heavy, dirty service industries are going to pull us out of this slump. When will we get some fresh thinking around here? Do we need to wait for a certain generation to die off before we can take the reins and create a prosperous and enviable place to live?
Thank you, Salmonologist! I appreciate intelligent comments that contribute to the dialog.
Speaking of which, time constraints forced me to block “come on”
Thanks for all of your hard work M, I’m glad there are folks like you in Coos County!
By the way, the notice of appeal was filed more than a month ago in the matter of JOHN B. JONES III, JULIE JONES, LARRY WHITE, BANDON WOODLANDS COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, and OREGON COAST ALLIANCE,
Plaintiffs,
v.
NATIONAL MARINE FISHERIES SERVICE; WILLIAM W. STELLE, JR., in his official capacity as Acting Regional Administrator; UNITED STATES ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS; and ROBERT L. VAN ANTWERP, JR., Lieutenant General, in his official capacity as the Chief of Engineers and Commanding General for the Corps,
Defendants
and
OREGON RESOURCES CORPORATION,
Intervenor-Defendant
Everyone knows who you are, we’ve seen you in action before and your character is not hidden behind a coward’s anonymity
Well you delete my posts that have substance, so I have to make a few attempts to get my point across.
What pickup salmonologist?
What research salmonologist?
All you’ve said is opinion after opinion. You act high and mighty, but have yet to be so.
http://www.oregoncoastalliance.org/documents_11/Olenec_v_NMFS.pdf
There is the decision. It should assist in your decision making process.
And Magix, first off something is wrong with your website cause my posts are disappearing.
Second, don’t act like you know who I am. To clarify, I’m just a punk SWOCC student. I’m a punk SWOCC student who pays attention, talks to people involved with various projects in Coos Bay, and I drive a blue toyota. I’ll be sure to wave next time I’m warm and cozy and I see you out in the rain.
Oh and I find this amusing. Thats why I’m here.
Thankfully, anti-spam software automatically block many of come.on’s comments because as he has tried to say “I’m just a punk SWOCC student” who can’t stop referring to body parts in his replies. Be punk somewhere else, you aren’t even helping ORC much less contributing anything positive.
come on – Perfect – tell me to do the research when you are the one lying and cheerleading.
I have done the research. All of the info I stated is easily available online, it’s your comments that are misleading and incorrect. There is more than one case against ORC.
Typical, people who don’t know what they’re talking about deflecting and deferring from the truth.
Why do you only drive a pick-up if you are part of the 1%? I’d think you’d upgrade a little. Unless you want to appear to be a regular, working man. Like the 99%.
It’s public record, do some research please. If you don’t look into the issue, then your view is bunk defacto.
The case against the Army Corps of Engineers was shot down, appealed, shot down again, then dropped. If its started back up then I’d like to see your references. Bottom line is, your cause has NEVER HAD ANY traction against ORC.
Lead by example Salmonologist. You want references and links? Do it yourself. I’m perfectly fine letting you wallow in ignorance. It sure doesn’t affect me.
I’m not Al btw, I know who he is and can say with relative certainty that he knows more about ORC than the rest of you on this board.
Come.on has been seen driving past Occupy stands along with his cohort in crime in their “unobtrusive” shiny red pickup truck – Even Al doesn’t stoop to the base low levels of this pair.
correction: links and references, please.
come on now…is that you Al?
Link sand references on the 30 year permits, please- the permits available to the public do not go beyond 3 years, with options to renew. Don’t spout off unless you have some proof. Again.
And the case against ORC is still in a federal judge’s hands, if you know of differently, show us some proof!
don’t know where your information is coming from salmonologist, let me help you some.
ORC has over 30 years currently permitted, and is seeking more. That is fairly long term to be conservative.
The case against the army corps of engineersby the Bandon Woodlands Association and company was ruled in ORC’s favor… TWICE.
ORC went through 20 years of development for this project. In any other state, that would have been around 5. Entitlement hippies, and obstructionists rejoice!
You cannot blame ORC for hiring people with previous experience in the industry for critical positions. They are a business and success is their motive.
And apparently, and you’ll like this update Mary, the DOGAMI violation is bunk. An ACTUAL inspector checked out the Stark’s claims. Yeah… At least you tried i guess…
Keep trying, nobody is taking you seriously! How was the rain treating the 99%’ers last night BTW?
Sadly, Al is a veritable treasure trove of misinformation and either too dumb to know it or deliberately dishonest. Either way, what comes from him has to be carefully vetted and for the most part ignored.
Al – 40 years? Link/references please….sounds like an arbitrary number you made up.
As of now, under the permits they have (but seem to ignore), ORC has a set amount of acres they can mine, and a certain amount of tonnage will be taken from each acre. Quick research of the story reveals differing numbers – some say 70,000 tons per year (Mining Weekly) to 500,000 tons per year (ORCA). So, as is usual with these types of industry folks, the truth is optional and we’ll all pay for the lies when they leave.
On their own webpage they say they’d like to set up an exploratory committee to see how much more they can take from us….shouldn’t be a problem for them, considering how easy we gave it up the first time. The World quoted ORC as having “20 years of reserves”…reserves, not solid work….although that will mean many new rounds of permitting and since the gov’t agencies (ACOE, NMFS) are being sued for not performing due diligence, hopefully by the next round of “exploration” the regulatory agencies will finally start considering the residents of Coos County. ORC has been “exploring” here since 1989, and they only recently employed 69 people? Right now your “40 year careers” will only last 3-4 years. I call that temporary, but maybe someone of advanced age thinks that is a long time. It’s definitely not enough to build “good schools, drug-free communities and a future for our children”.
And even if we did have “40 yrs worth” (eyes rolling), who’s to say that ORC will be here mining it all? They can’t even get one year under their belt without violating permits and heading into mitigation. Here are the facts: ORC is wholly owed by Australians, not Americans, who specifically set up “ORC” to mine south of Coos Bay. Chromite is much more valuable nowadays, and the sitting Commissioners at the time did not do their jobs representing the citizens of Coos County – we will get some paltry royalties and road maintenance…these are business negotiations, and if the Commissioners couldn’t handle it they shouldn’t have been in charge of the situation. It reminds me of the Manhattan Purchase, and we’re not the Dutch. Our two appointed Commissioners that did not take part in the negotiations have shown that they wouldn’t have done any better, and probably made things worse – for the citizens, not the Australians. They have shown their lack of experience time and time again, and what did we really expect anyway? Since we didn’t have a choice in the appointments, we didn’t know what to expect. I was hoping for folks that were invested in Coos County and wanted the best for our community – not sycophants parroting the same tired, old ideas.
I wish more Oregonians traveled, so they could really appreciate what a beautiful place we have here. The areas of the USA that are dominated by mining/drilling are run by the same greedy, single-minded folks who really don’t give two shakes about their communities. Ever been to West Virginia? Those folks are dealing with birth defects that are now in their genes – how is that for a “future for our children”? Texas is an armpit. So is New Jersey. The rust belt is disgusting. We have real treasures here in Oregon – why do we let a few bullies lie to us and sell us short?
Al, as the number one cheerleader for ORC, please tell us if you own any shares of IDM International, so we know we are dealing with.
“You want property taxes? Call D.C. They own 57% of Oregon and they owe us a boatload of property taxes.”
So does ORC.
So does Bandon Dunes and every other free-loading industry/business being enticed to Coos County because we won’t make them pay for the pleasure will we Al? Enterprise zones instead of property taxes make sense to you al?
Mary – your comments lead me to believe that all is well again between you and Commissioner Main, as you directed your remarksonly towards Mr. Messerle and Mr. Parry.
Does this mean you are no longer endorsing Mr. Sanne, who is running against Mr. Main?
P.S. My presentation said nothing of the sort. And I use the Federal government ($15 trillion in debt) and the State of Oregon ($1 billion in debt) as two entities that have NOT been managed like businesses, but more like piggy banks. Since that strategy hasn’t turned out so well, let’s give common sense and good old business management fundamentals a try. I’m confident we’ll see a much better result.
Dear Salmon,
Yes, I know chromite is finite, as is oil, coal and gold. There is 40 years of chromite here – at least. When a Federal or State worker can retire in 20 with full benefits, I wouldn’t describe a forty year job as “temporary”.
Our Commissioners have not “bent over” for ORC. Only one Commissioner has been responsible for working with ORC and ORC’s lawyers won’t even engage him anymore.
If you don’t think ORC and other businesses that provide family wage jobs are a good start for pulling us out of the quagmire, then I’m all ears.
You ridicule the BOC and committees for not coming up with any good ideas but you spend half your blog dismissing anything and everything that they’re trying to do. I don’t understand this logic. Maybe fishing is the answer, but with all due respect, I don’t think that’s a career path for everyone.
Re: Solid Waste and your comment “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”. How would you define “not broke”? What am I missing that you’re not? And the only place I’ve read that the employees will be thrown under the bus and collection rates will skyrocket is on this blog – not exactly a beakon for facts.
You want property taxes? Call D.C. They own 57% of Oregon and they owe us a boatload of property taxes.
You spend your time ridiculing everthing and then you have the audacity to blame the Commissioners for “the mess we’re in”. Has it occured to you that we may be in this mess because there are too many people in this County who are absolutely pretrified of change?
If we’re in a “mess”, then why do you think anyone is “fearmongering” about Curry County? And if you don’t think we’re following the footsteps of Curry County then please enlighten us, because apparently most everyone from here to Salem seem to think that we’re headed for trouble. Granted, Coos County only stands to lose a mere 20% of our GF – $4.2 million of a $20.9 million budget, which seems like nothing compared to Curry County’s 63%. But the problem is this: our expenses are going up exponentially faster than our revenues. If you have answers I’m sure the BOC will be more than happy to hear them.
It appears that you have had extensive experience as a BOC – if not here, then somewhere else, as you seem comfortable in describing the job as relatively easy to do, and insinuate that our Commissioners are all below-average IQ dimwits. No doubt we’ll see you stepping up to run for Commissioner and bringing with you all the skills and ideas necessary to navigate our county through the worst financial crisis this county has ever seen.
What is interesting, Salmonologist, is that Pettit and his buddies keep pushing to run the government like a business, yet the two interim appointees who claim business credentials apparently can’t administer worth a damn – that according to Al’s own power point presentation
Al, respectfully, why do you think that a temporary labor job is so much better than a long-term, permanent, family-wage job? (You know that chromite is a finite resource, don’t you? You do know that we had a real chance to make some money since there are few places in the world to mine chromite, don’t you? You do know that our Commissioners bent over and let ORC get exactly what they want? That they let ORC “promise” to return all the gold and other minerals they dig up….at least we have that!). Coos County is treated like a 2-dollar whore.
ORC will pack up and move when the chromite is gone. While they are here they will do everything they can to ignore the rules and tear up the land, because, let’s be honest here, why the hell would/should they care about Coos County? – and by the time the issues get settled they’ll be long gone. Of their 69 employees, only 4 of the 16 “Professional” positions are from Oregon (so we don’t even have “professional” people here?….apparently ORC thinks we are a county full of rubes), the rest of the “professionals” are from out-of-state and they will pick up and move wherever ORC goes, with their fatter salaries and better resumes. Meanwhile, the local production and administrative employees will be out of work – again – and begin anew the fight for unemployment benefits with the very people who claim to be “helping” the working man (both Republicans and Democrats)…so please explain to me how these temporary jobs are going to bring about, as you say, “good schools, a drug-free community, a future for their children and jobs for those who want them”? Get real. And your attitude towards commercial fishing is reminiscent of the ’90’s, and is as ridiculous and short-sided as your other talking points. Frankly, I haven’t seen anyone on the many committees, or in the COC, or as a sitting commissioner, come up with any valid revenue generating ideas. Buying surplus equipment to rent to local businesses? Yep, that’s a great idea, because the county has the funds to buy said equipment, and of course there are plenty of local businesses that need to rent equipment from the county! Anyone else think that is a stupid idea? Carbon credits? I’m all for that, but the process is long and we wouldn’t see the benefits ($$) for a while…better make that Plan B. Privatizing Beaver Hill? How is that going to make money for the county? From what I’ve read, the customers may end up paying more and the current employees are not guaranteed a job….why is this even an option? If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Exporting natural gas? So the county gets less money and the citizens don’t get any gas, but we’ll subsidize its build and take the risk in a tsunami zone…..right, that’s a great trade off. For less than a dozen permanent jobs. None of them will touch property taxes on the largest landowners….good grief, don’t want the timber companies and ranchers to pay what the rest of us pay, that would make Oregon so unfriendly to business, we can’t have that!
The Commissioners, COC and their hangers-on should be ashamed for always trying to sell out their families and neighbors every chance they get. They are responsible for the mess we’re in, and enough of the “gov’t is bloated” bs – we have 3 well-paid Commissioners that have gotten nothing done, had no original ideas, bickered with & avoided the public, possibly violated meeting laws, and the citizens pay the price. Fear-mongering that “we’re going to turn into Curry County!” is getting tiresome….it admits that those in charge are not able to handle their jobs. Running the county is surely not rocket science, so it looks like we’ve got some room-temperature IQ’s at the top. We are not getting what we pay for.
M regularly deletes me, I just don’t feel the need to whine about it.
I’m telling you, I’ve never seen such whiney ass men as in Coos County, expecially if they come up against a woman smarter than they are.
whats the topic again?
both sides of the spectrum have felt the painful sting of censorship, including themguys. You have been given a lot of latitude to poke at everyone here but I have to draw the line when you repeat falsehoods and commit libel for no purpose but to be an irritant – you can voice your opinion but stick to the topic and everyone will benefit.
time to turn that administrative wand back on your buddies as well then, if you want to be considered a legitimate source for information.
Themguys should recieve no special treatment. Her posts are slanderous, filled with personal attacks, and are generally not in the best interest of your fine blog. Or is your spin that obvious? Someone call Bill O’Reilly already
Previously, I have had to remove comments for libelous or inappropriate content directed at other posters and unfortunately I have had to do this again with a comment trying to slandering me that I assume is meant to be funny but I try not allow character assassinations particularly from anonymous posters and especially when they aren’t relevant to the post.
So sorry to disappoint my detractors (and my deranged neighbor) but I do not have a criminal record. Darn, that would make it easier for those unable to argue with the message so they seek to discredit the messenger. An obvious solution is, of course, just not to read MGx or better yet, start your own blogs
al
December 13, 2011 – 3:13 pm
Mary would certainly know about dogs running wild.
Criminal charges are these to which you refer padawan?
wait wait wait…
Themguys, do you read your own posts? Its pure hate, negative commentary, and ignorance rolled into one. If you were a sushi shef, your signature roll would be the shit sandwich. What sushi chefs don’t make sandwiches? Oh yeah, you failed at that too.
Look, ORC has to comply with specific regulations which were established through their permits. I’m sure their entire process was designed to comply with these permits on a systematic level. If there is an error in their process, it will have accountability. Thus, a solution will be easily attainable. BUT>>>>
They have yet to be found guilty of anything. I’m sure their team of lawyers will defeat this should it be false. It SOUNDS LIKE these allegations are shortsighted. I mean, read what its all about. Logging companies trump any dirt on the road caused by ORC. Hell, the sheer sight of all of your saggy old lady boobs should cause more controversy, I know I’d rather look at mud anyday.
http://youtu.be/2eMkth8FWno
Go to the 1:30 mark and watch, who does that Black Knight remind us of?
Thinking he’s so ‘large’ and all the while he’s cutting off his nose to spite his face.
Stick to the issues al, can you please?
If you’re not proposing a price-fixing solution, then what would you call it? The Solid Waste facility can’t compete with landfill. Not even close. What you’re proposing is that haulers be forced to pay non-competitive prices to protect a financially unsustainable business.
Nonetheless, I’m certain you have a solid and defensible explanation of how this will be financially beneficial to ALL parties involved.
The reason we’re “in the shape we’re in” is because too many people don’t seem to be able to add 2 plus 2. Many people on this blog want government. Fine, but somebody has to pay for it. How? Jobs. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Just keep an eye on Curry County, because that’s where we’re headed and in record time.
You folks protest the Port, you complain about ORC, you protest anything that has jobs associated with it – your own withstanding, of course – but you will also be the loudest complainers when the BOC announces that they’re slashing our county services to the bone because they’ve run out of money. And you’re going to have to do better than commercial fishing, which has it’s own tale of woe.
P.S. You want to know who’s proud of ORC? All the people working there, just for starters. Not everyone is satisfied with a sub-standard quality of life, so don’t get in the way of those who want good schools, a drug-free community, a future for their children and jobs for those who want them.
linski is right, he is just a diversion and on another post he demonstrated that he doesn’t even know what “price fixing” means. We could spend all day correcting his boo boos…
There is no possible way that ORC will be able (or willing) to comply with the permit issues, including wetland delineations and a wheel-washing station, by January 9th. Most of these permit issues take time, and I highly doubt they’ll buckle down over the holidays and get up to code.
Why is it that the industries that suck off the teat of the planet (oil/energy/mining/timber) attract the worst type of humans? They rarely do anything legally or above board, it’s all about profit and avoiding regulations (to the detriment of the actual on-the-ground laborers), which is exactly why men are left to die under the mountains, oil pollutes an entire gulf and puts thousands out of work or broke, and water catches fire in a kitchen faucet. The areas they use up are never close to their original state (sure, we can just wait for the next ancient forest to spring up!), and are usually much, much worse for the wear.
I’d like to ask “al” why he thinks that mining sites, clear cuts and oil slicks are so beautiful that he would defend these people? Does anyone like to hop on their motorcycle and head down 101 only to see a ravaged, filthy land? Tourism could be so much more for us here – recreational fishing, boating, hunting, wildlife viewing, etc…and longer-lasting than short term mining leases that kick nothing back to the county except to a few private interests, and would keep Oregon green and beautiful. Go live in Nebraska if you like dustbowls.
If we cleaned our act up we could even see commercial fishing pick up, and we’d be able to revive that industry, something to be proud of (is anyone “proud” of our brief dalliance with ORC?).
Unfortunately, we have short-sided and obviously biased Commissioners surrounded by self-serving people. No wonder we’re in the state we’re in.
al? before you jump in all insulted-like about your family? YOU just brought anothers’ family into the conversation, and their pets.
No whining al, what’s good for the goose………………….
Oh, one more thing al, this is not about dirt, you numbnuts “Nonetheless, I’m sure Dan Smith and company will address this dirt issue appropriately. (We all know how dangerous mud and dirt can be.) ”
IT’S ABOUT OUR WATER, AND DAN SMITH AND COMPANY ARE PISSING IN IT.
No manners at all.
“Mary would certainly know about dogs running wild.”
Whatever do you mean al?
Showing your lilly white arse again al. Here we have ANOTHER mental midget sneaking around in the dark, doing his darndest to discredit a woman who obviously hands him his hat every time he attempts to discredit her.
THIS is what a man does al? A businessman? Sneaks around listening to gossip like the little old woman he acts like? Do you treat your customers this way? They do give you their personal information, right? Hope they don’t see THEIR personal information on a local blog.
Must feel good al, you’re showing your own daughters, and OURS too, how to discredit an intelligent woman, trying to bring the truth to a county being run by idiots, absolute idiots. My opinion.
al reminds me why this county is called The Anus of Oregon.
I’ve never seen so many whiney-ass “men” sneaking around to find information to use on a public forum, against those who outsmart them at every turn.
Al, is all you have left is a diversion ? That’s not going to work. Try to staying on track. Ol danny and company, knew of the problem. But didn’t do the right thing. Please check out the mess they left in Georgia, it sure doesn’t look a place for a bike rally does it.
“Not exactly connecting”?? That sounds as shady as “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is”. Well, since I doubt anyone wants to do a DNA match, I’ll retract my statement and we’ll just say it dropped from an airplane.
http://santacruz.patch.com/articles/occupiers-say-sentinel-report-on-human-feces-is-full-of-it
Occupy Santa Cruz members are angry about a Santa Cruz Sentinel report connecting – but not exactly connecting – human feces found at the Veterans Hall with a report about complaints by Sheriff Phil Wowak about Occupy Santa Cruz.
“At least one incident on the county list wasn’t noted by the Sheriff’s Office: the discovery of an estimated 200 pounds of human feces near the county Veterans Memorial Building, just across the Water Street bridge from the camp, ” the Sentinel wrote in its Sunday edition.
“The county called in a hazardous materials team to clean up the mess, and installed a security fence around the building, which is closed for renovations. There is no evidence that linked the excrement to the camp.”
The feces story has spread around the world, although the last sentence hasn’t always been picked up.
Al spreads a lot of crap
Mary would certainly know about dogs running wild. Nonetheless, I’m sure Dan Smith and company will address this dirt issue appropriately. (We all know how dangerous mud and dirt can be.) But you have to admit, it kind of pales in comparison when we start talking about the 200 pounds of human excrement left by Occupiers near the Veterans Memorial in Santa Cruz and the several tons of urine and fece infested garbage left behind in Los Angeles, Boston and other major cities.
This ain’t Dan Smiths’ first time at the rodeo is it?
Don’tcha just hate it when your neighbors let their dogs out to sheet all over YOUR yard?
Me too.
Now we have to listen to more whining from Smith and his enablers.