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No wonder The World doesn’t have time to report

No wonder The World doesn’t have time to report

No wonder The World doesn’t report relevant information like how the Port of Coos Bay totally fabricated an excuse to declare an emergency last spring and lied to the public. No wonder the paper doesn’t take the time to really vet that sorry excuse for a report put out by the structure advisory committee and instead prints three articles and an editorial as if the report was professionally done and valid. It is no wonder because the paper has put all its energy recently into vilifying the local community action (see today’s paper). I don’t know what The World has against ORCCA but it looks really ugly.

A week ago the paper allowed an inaccurate and threatening comment accusing staff of being responsible for the death of a homeless man and not providing a warming center to stand on its Facebook page. The commenter said a staff member had “blood on her hands” and the paper commented back asking if the author would write a ltter to the editor. It wasn’t until ORCCA CEO, Mary Schoen-Clark called the paper that the comment was removed but the two people continued to complain in an ongoing exchange that the community action group wasn’t following a ten year plan. The 10-Year-Homeless-Plan does not call for a warming center and even if a warming center had been in place it wouldn’t have activated until outside temperatures hit 30 degrees.

The paper followed up with an article and an editorial claiming that within minutes of the news of the homeless man’s death under a bridge people (all two of them) took to Facebook to call for a warming center. What has the editor got against ORCCA?

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71 Responses to "No wonder The World doesn’t have time to report"

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    Themguys  December 22, 2011 at 11:32 AM

    “If they are in fact innocent then they need to make their records public and move on.”

    Wow, what have they been charged with James? What is their crime so far?

    Do tell us .

    A tin horn paper man from Wyoming says so? Don’t trust a man who will say anything for money or perceived prestige.

    Some young journalists hitch their cart to the wrong horse and destroy their careers very quickly, by not learning the principles of professionalism, that’s too bad.

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    Themguys  December 22, 2011 at 11:29 AM

    So what are all those things that are being left out? Seems like Schoen-Clark could pick up the phone anytime and answer the World’s questions in as many front page inches as she wants. The World is asking. ORCCA is mute.”

    Firstly, The World Paper has absolutely NO credibility in this county Mark, if you lived in the real world, you would no that. That isn’t arguable anymore. Who says Clark now dictates what an org. does or not does, and when they do it? He’s no more than a professional than you are. You little men in this county who just want To Be Somebody are an embarrasment and a true window into why this county is a joke all over Oregone. YOU keep it poor continueing the same BS business plan for forty years. Hoping all the time some of those millions will come cascading down on you. Ain’t gonna happen, you’re just a lemming, too frightened to get out of the rut this county has become. When the World reports the truth about the Port, then they will be doing their job, it pays to well not to I suppose, for the life of me, I’ve never seen a paper so poorly , unprofessionally run, ever. It’s just a joke now too. Just like the rest of us. Sad thing is, you people destroy anyone who attempts to ask why you allow it.

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    James  December 22, 2011 at 10:52 AM

    Obviously, you have not dealt with ORCCA on a personal level. We all tried to address the issues with them and they gave us nothing but lies, excuses and threats. The public venue was the only option left. What do they have to hide? They are a nonprofit and if I am not mistaken their business is community business. If they are in fact innocent then they need to make their records public and move on.

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    MarkM  December 5, 2011 at 1:37 PM

    Oh sorry. I didn’t realize that it’s OK to connect ORCCA to the SCDC or the Port or The World when there is no actual connection to begin with, but it is verboten to connect ORCCA to wind turbines where there actually IS a real connection.

    Obviously, there are good conspiracies and there are bad conspiracies.

    I noticed you didn’t answer any of my questions.

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    Themguys  December 5, 2011 at 1:27 PM

    You’re a real douche Mark. That is a really tacky thing to put onto a public forum, my apology to the moderator, but Mark? You ARE a douche.

    Quite obvious why others choose NOT to engage you.

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    MarkM  December 5, 2011 at 1:10 PM

    Why was the Charleston Food Bank cut off? Why do the reasons keep changing? Why will ORCCA — a public entity subject to open meeting laws — not discuss the decision?

    Why are there billing issues at three other food banks — and nowhere else in the entire state?

    Why won’t ORCCA answer inquires? Why are mid-level employees giving contradictory information?

    Why did ORCCA turn down a mediator?

    These are legitimate questions. If The World treated ORCCA unfairly, let’s hear about it! These questions don’t bother you? You just don’t care? Or you just don’t know? Or it’s more fun to blame the paper for everything you don’t like?

    If the Port was doing this instead of ORCCA, this board would be livid. Why the double standard? Why does ORCCA get a pass?

    I hope it’s not because of wind turbines. It’s certainly not because I lack a moral compass.

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    Themguys  December 5, 2011 at 12:30 PM

    “I love ORCCA. But I don’t think it’s beyond reproach. I’m baffled it doesn’t get the same scrutiny here that is levied on the Port and the SCDC.”

    Baffled, huh? Really just baffled?

    Mark, you have NO moral compass, none. If you did, it would not have to be explained to you.

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    MarkM  December 5, 2011 at 11:03 AM

    Amusing. When the Port talks about confidentiality agreements, it gets vilified. But it’s a good thing when it’s ORCCA. Okay.

    Lack of diversity is cause for shutting down a food pantry? Is that in ORCCA’s bylaws?

    So what are all those things that are being left out? Seems like Schoen-Clark could pick up the phone anytime and answer the World’s questions in as many front page inches as she wants. The World is asking. ORCCA is mute.

    Let me repeat: I love ORCCA and what it does. I’m not clear on why ORCCA is doing what it is doing. Neither are several state officials. And ORCCA is doing a very poor job of explaining itself.

    You say there’s more to the story? Untold information that will make me feel better about the effectiveness, efficiency, and transparency of ORCCA? Great. Let’s hear it.

    I love ORCCA. But I don’t think it’s beyond reproach. I’m baffled it doesn’t get the same scrutiny here that is levied on the Port and the SCDC.

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    magix  December 5, 2011 at 10:24 AM

    The reporter was told by ORCCA that confidentiality agreements prohibited them answering questions before the pantry board confirmed they were properly notified but he didn’t mention any of that. One of the problems ORCCA has with the pantry is there is no diversity on its board – the board members are all family – but they were invited to reapply anyway and didn’t. ORCCA has 33 or 32 pantries and 3 are having problems and the paper presents it as if it is entirely ORCCA’s fault. There is so much more to this story that the reporter left out that it is hard not see these articles as pure hit pieces on an organization that creates more jobs in this community than SCDC.

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    Themguys  December 5, 2011 at 8:38 AM

    Oh, one more thing. If The World publishes it, it must be the whole truth, nothing but the truth, right? That’s seems to be what Mark -O is saying here. Asking us all to believe that Ol Clark doesn’t have an agenda everytime he does these hit pieces.

    Gene? Take it as a compliment when he calls you a bully, he pulls that card out regularly.

    but boy oh boy, am I leery of anyone who has to claim how “smart” they are. Run like hell from them, cuz behind their smart words usually lurks something dark. Watch and see.

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    Themguys  December 5, 2011 at 8:31 AM

    “I think if one wants to communicate through words they should know what words mean, don’t you?”

    I DO, I DO !!!!!


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    favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters:

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 11:58 PM

    I still can’t believe any parent seeing your behavior here would want you near their children. I guess only time will tell. Please continue.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 11:49 PM

    You go Mark, you’ve proven to all of us how smart you are. What your doing is not so smart.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 10:25 PM

    Oh, almost forgot. I accept your apology.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 10:24 PM

    On ABC This Week this morning, Barney Frank summed up the problem with candidate Rick Perry. I paraphrase:

    “It’s not what you know or what you don’t know that is scary. It’s what you think you know that is scary.”

    He could have been talking about this board. You THINK I’m corrupt. You THINK I’m a shill. You THINK I’m everyman. (Unless you’re talking about the 15th Century English morality play, I have no earthly idea what you’re talking about — but hey, isn’t that EXACTLY what a shill would say? Hmmm.) Why don’t you go to the Evidence Store and make a purchase in the morning and post it here for those of us trading in the evidence-based world.

    I don’t think you think I’m a bully. I think you think I’m just smarter than you are, but you have no other way of expressing that, especially when coupled with the likelihood that you are wrong, or worse, not even sure what your position is.

    Of course, that’s just what I think. I’ll have to prove it at another time.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 10:09 PM

    Let’s recap: You think I am a bully. Yes.

    You also believe I should be assailed with abusive language. No

    If you would like to apologize for the gaps in your vocabulary, I will accept. Yes I’m a Hillbilly that votes.

    I think if one wants to communicate through words they should know what words mean, don’t you? Yes, That’s why I clarified what I meant.

    Although you don’t think I can be educated, I’m still holding out hope for you. Agreed.

    One more thing you forgot. I think your corrupt and a shill, probably everyman.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 9:51 PM

    Gene, if you were my student for a day, I would ask you to take out your dictionary and turn to the letter R. You would find “reviled” there and you would learn its meaning.

    To assail with abusive language

    It does not mean a lack of respect for a person or tactics. It is far, far worse.

    Let’s recap: You think I am a bully. You also believe I should be assailed with abusive language. Would you next like to look up the word “ironic?”

    If you would like to apologize for the gaps in your vocabulary, I will accept. I think if one wants to communicate through words they should know what words mean, don’t you? Although you don’t think I can be educated, I’m still holding out hope for you.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 9:37 PM

    What has made Charleston Food Pantry’s fight to rejoin the food-bank network so difficult is that ORCCA’s reasons for the termination have shifted over the past five months.

    Documents supplied to The World show that, initially, ORCCA cut off food in July because of unpaid bills. Three new reasons were raised in September. And, in November, a total of six ‘outstanding concerns” were listed in a final letter from ORCCA about the termination.

    While the pantry disputes all of those claims, Creager said two new ones are particularly perplexing and have never been raised before.

    Read more:

    TG, why are the Charleston Food Pantry, The Oregon Food Bank, the Oasis Shelter Home,, the Brookings Food Bank, and the Gold Beach Senior Center the bad guys here?

    Seems like each agency has a common problem — ORCCA.

    Steve Randolph, statewide services manager said he was aware ORCCA was experiencing glitches in its new inventory billing system and he hoped when those issues were resolved it would solve the other problems between the parties.

    Randolph said the new billing system was rolled out to multiple regional food banks, but ORCCA is the only one known in the state known to have these technical issues.

    ‘I have to say, this is pretty unusual,” Randolph said.

    Read more:

    Notice a common thread here? Why in your estimation is everyone culpable BUT ORCCA? What do YOU know that no one else seems to know?

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 9:30 PM

    That’s good Mark, your rant finally provided some answers. I will inquire about your trips to my grandkids school. I think your setting a fine example as to how we expect our children’s teachers to behave in public. please keep going, I’m sure your winning lots of converts to your style. Remember the Party you represent is watching as well, now proceed, we’re quite entertained.

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    aghast!  December 4, 2011 at 9:24 PM

    You are not alone Gene

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 9:15 PM

    Reviled, I hope you understand that means I have no respect for you or your tactics.
    Maybe I’m the only one that sees you that way, you think.

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    Themguys  December 4, 2011 at 9:13 PM

    December 4, 2011 – 9:08 pm

    Gene, you’re as bad as ORCCA.

    Says it all I guess.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 9:12 PM

    Good keep going.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 9:08 PM

    Gene, you’re as bad as ORCCA. You keep shifting your grievances. After calling my posts “spew,” you say I cannot be educated. Then you claim I “espouse corruption” and have “no concern for my fellow Oregonians.” Next comes the bit about the “dangerous outlooks” and a “3 strikes” charge that makes no sense at all. Finally, I’m charged with “spreading knowledge.” That’s my personal favorite.

    (Themguys and aghast piled on too, but I don’t hold you responsible for that.)

    After all of that, now you claim I’m a bully even though you personally think I should be reviled. Reviled.

    I hope you don’t treat your grandkids that way.

    Pot meet Kettle.

    Save yourself the keystrokes, Gene, before you have a real one. I teach k-12 in every school from Reedsport to Myrtle Point and all the rest in between. Like a bad penny, you never know where I’m going to show up. You’ll know I’ve been in your grandkids’ class when they come home and tell you about the exciting day they had in school with this great substitute teacher. (Not making that up — happens all the time, so I’m told.)

    And you know what? I would do the best dang job I could for them, even if I knew you were their grandpa.

    Reviled. You’re a real piece of work, Gene.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 8:40 PM

    Your a bully ,Mark. That’s the number 1 reason to not let you near kids. Another student being a bully is a harsh thing for kids to deal with, but an adult using such tactics is far worse in my book. You don’t have to defend yourself to me, I will and have stood up to bullys since I was a kid. I sure know one when I see one , and you got an overload dose of that flaw. The kids on the other hand would have no defense against a person like you that considers it a prideful thing to be able to bully people. Does that explain to you why I think your not fit to teach? Where do you teach?

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    aghast!  December 4, 2011 at 8:28 PM

    I wonder if Mark really does still teach. I mean maybe he is on the roster but no one actually calls him

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 8:27 PM

    Knowledge now, is it? That’s a different kettle of fish from dangerous outlooks. Wasn’t it Galileo who was banned for spreading knowledge and having dangerous outlooks? Research that, Mr. Super Sleuth.

    You’d better not let Mary G near your grandkids either. She wrote, “I am not opposed to these projects on their face if all the proper protections are in place and the proper due diligence is performed.”

    I agree. That’s all I’m saying.

    You could do us all a favor by using your amazing research powers to uncover why ORCCA has had administrative problems with four different food banks. One is a problem; four is a trend. At least that’s what my research tells me.

    As for where I work . . . perhaps you’ve heard the one about the miller’s daughter.


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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 7:30 PM

    Look I’m going to keep looking for the schools you say you teach. Stop Stalling and tell us where you are spreading your knowledge.

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    Themguys  December 4, 2011 at 7:27 PM

    Mark, you’ve been behind Braddocks’ pipe dream all along, right? You’ve supported the LNG terminal all along, right?

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 7:26 PM

    1.If you have grandkids in Coos County you’ve got bigger things to worry about than me

    2. the key to our economic future. If LNG and/or coal can do that, then I am for it.
    We’re fools to turn up our noses at grabbing a piece of it.

    3.Why would you not want me to teach your grandkids? Are you afraid I might expose them to opposing views that may be too powerful to resist?
    (That’s what the right wingers imply when they accuse me of being “communist.”)

    3 strikes your out, this is exactly what I don’t want taught to the kids.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 6:58 PM

    What dangerous outlook would that be? Is there a list of dangerous outlooks to be avoided in teachers?

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 6:48 PM

    Your outlook has no business near any school kids, your a danger to their survival.
    i want to make sure your not near mine, that’s call protecting the young and vulnerable.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 6:42 PM

    This is what i have so far, Mark now substitute teaches in several communities.
    Which ones? If you won’t tell me, i will just keep on looking, and I’m pretty good at research.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 6:42 PM

    Why would you not want me to teach your grandkids? Are you afraid I might expose them to opposing views that may be too powerful to resist?

    (That’s what the right wingers imply when they accuse me of being “communist.”)

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 6:39 PM

    I agree with this person:

    I do suffer from a lack of faith in the ability of the Port executive management to implement a successful container dock or any other terminal and I am fearful that the CBWR lands may not remain as healthy under tribal management as they do under the BLM, however, outside of environmental issues, I am not opposed to these projects on their face if all the proper protections are in place and the proper due diligence is performed.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 6:31 PM

    No, I believe in our public schools. I will just make sure your not one of their teachers.
    Where do you teach?

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 6:24 PM

    Don’t make me guess. What are the problems Mary?

    Look around. Our kids are already sick and poor.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 6:21 PM

    Why? Will you start home schooling your kids if you find out I am instructing them?

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    magix  December 4, 2011 at 6:21 PM

    Check out Ashtabula, OH on Google Earth satellite image and look along the Lake Erie shore and you will what a coal port looks like from the heavens – Yes, let’s contribute to the problems being addressed now at COP17 in Durban and let’s help keep Asian children sick and poor

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 6:05 PM

    I have grand kids attending school outside this county as well, so please tell me where you teach.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 6:03 PM

    Do you teach in coos county, if so, where?

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 5:59 PM

    Up north?

    Not teaching in Coos County?

    OK, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

    Gene, paranoia will destro-ya. But I have no doubt that you can be educated. (Must be the teacher in me talking.)

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 5:54 PM

    you espouse corruption, with no concern for your fellow Oregonians, sad day that this is what represents schools, government, and the democratic party. I’m glad your up north and not teaching in Coos County. maybe we have a chance of cleaning up the corruption, that you can’t see is draining the life blood out of the kids future. You can’t be educated , just reviled.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 5:41 PM

    If you have grandkids in Coos County you’ve got bigger things to worry about than me.

    I support reasonable initiatives to develop our international port. I believe the port is the key to our economic future. If LNG and/or coal can do that, then I am for it. I’m more suspicious of LNG than I am of coal, but not because it’s dangerous or because of land rights issues. We may disagree about that, but that does not align me with the SCDC anymore than it aligns you with the Communist Party. I think we should discuss each proposal on its merits and not cast dispersions about our opponents’ motives.

    If shipping coal through Coos Bay allows us to build the infrastructure that leads to international shipping jobs for your grandkids right here in Coos County, why would you oppose it? The US and the Pacific Rim are going to be trading billions of dollars of goods over the next few decades. We’re fools to turn up our noses at grabbing a piece of it.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 5:35 PM


    SCDC Board of Directors

    We have a 25 member Board of Directors that consists of representatives

    from both public and private interests.

    Greg Aldridge Past Chair* Coquille Economic Development Corporation

    Jon Barton Current Chair FONSI

    John Briggs Treasurer Accountant
    Steve Britton Board City of Coquille

    Chris Claflin Board Oregon Economic & Community Development Department

    Ken Croes Board KCBY TV
    Mark Daily Board Councilor City of Coos Bay
    Deena Gisholt Board Oregon Pacific Banking Company
    Roger Gould Board South Coast Bar Association

    Curtis “Huey” Hewiston Board Bandon Dunes Golf Resort

    Angela Jacobson Board PacifiCorp
    Paul Janke Board Bay Area Hospital
    Linda Kennedy Board NW Natural
    John Knutson Board Knutson Towboat Company
    Dave Kronsteiner Board Oregon’s International Port of Coos Bay

    Ike Launstein Board K-12 Educaton & Reedsport Area

    Jeff McKeown Board City of Coos Bay

    J.J. Mcleod Board South Coast Business Employment Corp

    Bogue Morgan Board Umpqua Bank

    Bill Richardson Board City of North Bend
    Mary Schamehorm Board City of Bandon
    Dr. Patty Scott Board Southwestern Oregon Community College
    Timm Slater Board Bay Area Chamber of Commerce
    Kevin Stufflebean Board Coos County Commission
    Ron Stuntzner Board Planning & Engineering

    These people are listed as board members, I’m sure it needs some updating.
    How many of these folks are sitting on these invited committees? Conflict of interest? I don’t have the time to make all the connections. Why don’t we get a teacher to put it all together for us.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM

    What school , I have grandkids I’m concerned about.
    Maybe an investigation into ORCCA will bleed over to those other organizations and any involvement they may have had with this issue, and see if there is any connection.
    Are you changing your position on LNG and coal, you already have shown support for those ideas here. If you support those plans then your an honorary member of SCDC at the very minimum.Your not fooling anyone but yourself, with your responses.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 4:18 PM

    And who would benefit ($$$) if the motion is not blocked?

    (See how easily a conspiracy comes together?)

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 4:16 PM

    We agree then about ORCCA.

    And the BOC.

    And the Port.

    And the SCDC.

    All of these entities should be held to the highest of scrutinies. Questioning the objections of these entities proffered on this board is not the same thing as defending these entities. Think about that.

    If because I show up when the SCDC invites the community to participate in a planning process is not the same thing as becoming one with the SCDC.

    Coal and Gas is not my mission. I am a teacher.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 4:07 PM

    Look who was taking the lead doing the blocking in your story link, Mark
    Councilor Mark Daily, who previously served on the city’s planning commission, said it’s vital for that agency to have ordinances so it can rule on applications objectively.

    Mark Daily
    Board member SCDC
    Councilor City of Coos Bay

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 3:52 PM

    No-one said ORCCA has no questions to answer. Quite the contrary, the sooner the better. If they’re corrupt, then they should pay the piper. Is there a reason you don’t feel the same way about SCDC members and the port, and if an investigation is appropriate, then should the same standards be applied to the port, the BOC and SCDC. Something about your defense of those organizations seems skewed and disingenuous. Why don’t you come clean and admit your SCDC.
    Coal and Gas is your mission for this area, and is easily seen through.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 3:34 PM


    Rollie Lobsinger IS ORCCA. He is the ORCCA Food Director. Wouldn’t you like to ask him some questions?

    To echo a phrase from the 60’s: The paranoia on this board runs deep. I simply point out the truth — that ORCCA has some questions to answer — and suddenly I’M the enemy.

    I’m not even sure what it is you all are selling here: The SCDC (or is it the Port) wants to take over ORCCA because it has so much money (THAT’S a laugh) so it has its lapdog The World (how exactly does THAT piece work? Does Lee Enterprises know about this??) write a “hit piece” on ORCCA in which ORCCA is repeatedly asked questions about its inconsistent actions over the last six months for which the only answers ORCCA gives are either incoherent or contradictory and as a result the SCDC (or is it the Port?) is to blame??? Is that it?

    If the Port acted like this, I would agree with you — there is a massive conspiracy afoot.

    Maybe your objections have something to do with this —

    But I digress. Who here believes ORCCA has not made any mistakes? Who here has NOTHING they would like to ask Rollie Lobsinger? Just wondering.

    As I said, I have no dog in this fight — except that I am a huge supporter (moral and otherwise) of ORCCA because the work is does is a high expression of my progressive values. After all, ORCCA only exists because of the Great Society fashioned by that great Democrat Lyndon Baines Johnson. (I’m sure if MGX were around in 1965 the board would have passionately HATED LBJ.) Be that as it may, I want to ensure that ORCCA is operating as efficiently, effectively, legally, and transparently as possible.

    Can any of you guarantee that?

    I didn’t think so.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 2:28 PM

    Those same players and their friends have gotten on every board/panel available in this county, except ORCCA.
    Lets see haw many they put up for each position on the BOC come election time.
    If that’s not a conspiracy, then there’s no such thing.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 2:24 PM

    This might be a more truthful moniker for you.
    Forum Platinum Rockstar, you and Pickering should form a band.


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    aghast!  December 4, 2011 at 2:13 PM

    Gene, isn’t Clark on both boards, SCDC and the chamber?

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 2:09 PM

    Mark can only read what he wants to believe. His last post acts like your previous post was not even there. THE PAPER is SCDC and only reports on stories to their goals.
    You will convince no-one here that you don’t represent those same goals.
    Do you still want to be called Mr.Progressive, or Jon’s boy. You sure are gaining a great reputation for Dem’s in this County. I already know of one voter that changed their registration to PGP, because of you . Please continue spewing, you will surely make more converts for the Dems.

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    aghast!  December 4, 2011 at 1:59 PM

    Why don’t you invite ORCCA as well Mark?

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 1:54 PM

    Rollie is in on it too?!?!?

    You guys should publish a conspirators list with a relationship tree so those of us who traffic in factual information can keep up.

    Do you seriously have no questions you would like ORCCA to answer after reading The World’s story? Maybe after Mary releases the secret files I will understand.

    I have no dog in this fight, but I do have some questions for Rollie. If you don’t, you are suffering from a severe case of insufficient curiosity. If you think the Port or the SCDC is behind this, fine. Let’s see the evidence. Lacking any evidence, those kinds of allegations are ludicrous.

    In other words, learn some facts before you mouth off. I think Mary gave that sage advice once.

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    Themguys  December 4, 2011 at 12:32 PM

    “Seems to me ORCCA has a lot to answer for.”

    Unlike the Port of Coos Bay who publicly lied to you and the rest of us? LIke that Mark? Like the COC, SCDC and their new diggs downtown Mark?

    Who paid for Jon Bartons’ new office Mark? And Sandys’? And the Chambers?

    And YOU chose to take on ORCCA?

    Shame on you Mark.

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    Themguys  December 4, 2011 at 12:30 PM

    You’ll notice Mark is fond of saying: “stop complaining, come sit at the table with “us”.

    “US” was Sandy Messerles’ private planning sessions. Mark was told the truth, then he let Sandy come on his show and bald face lie to HIS listeners. You believed her when she told you it was open to all. That was then, and to this day is/was a lie. And Mark CHOSE to believe her. He also had environmental activists on his show, but CHOSE not to believe them either. He chose to believe those gobernut timber beasts instead.

    Then Mark goes on the radio and tells people HE is The Progressive Voice of Coos County. Nothing progressive about you Mark.

    Stay at the table/trough with the rest of the free loading piglets Mark.

    This entire poor county is one big circle jerk for Jon and Al and Mark and Sandy and The Port, ORC, Chamber of Consorts. You know, those folks who gather to tell one another lies like, “we are doing something constructive for Coos County” when all they are doing is positioning themselves to be at the head of their Conga/Circle Jerk.

    No need to ask Mark, Which side are you on son, which side are you on. Mark will tell you, then tell you he’s a progressive too.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 12:15 PM

    Here’s the only response Mark has on that blog about this subject. Then he comes here an attacks for the gang. So transparent Mark, you should get another line of work, besides representing Coos county’s most Corrupt.
    You don’t seem to hold the same standards for complainers at that site, that you show here.

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 12:03 PM

    Mark’s right, It was time to bring in one of the “local” shills.

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    MarkM  December 4, 2011 at 11:51 AM

    Seems to me ORCCA has a lot to answer for. They are proving the “poor communication” charges within their own ranks.

    We’re not just talking about one incident. Or two. It’s four. Now the resident conspiracy theorists on this blog want to default to the usual scapegoats (The World, SCDC, Chamber, whatever) without any facts to support them. How about asking ORCCA the questions it won’t answer?

    I like Rollie Lobsinger very much. He’s a great guy doing tough and invaluable work. I’ve had him on my radio show several times. I’ll invite him again and see if he can clear things up.

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    magix  December 4, 2011 at 9:27 AM

    The paper has really bitten itself and likely made a lot of enemies in the process, especially amongst those who actually know the whole story

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    Gene  December 4, 2011 at 9:19 AM

    Readers might be interested in this posting, it is connected to the whole story of Smearing ORCCA.

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    magix  December 3, 2011 at 7:01 PM

    You are right, Gene, it seems the reporter left a few key points out although it may not be entirely his fault although there was a decided slant to these stories to paint ORCCA as a villain. I hope to clear some of this up on the blog at the first of the week. As for SCDC wanting to weasel its way into ORCCA, I wouldn’t be at all surprised

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    Gene  December 3, 2011 at 5:58 PM

    The question was “what The World has against ORCCA “. Since the World is an active SCDC member, and Sandy tried to cozy-up, unsuccessfully to ORCCA for sharing potential grant monies and was rebuffed, from what I hear. It just doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see why Clark would smear one of the few non-profits not under the spell of SCDC. If they can get the ORCCA board to replace the current top staff with more accommodating types, then it might be easier to grab hold of some of ORCCA’s assets and grant monies, in any future attempts. If they would just appoint people Jon can do business with, then the negative newspaper story’s might go away.

    There’s a lot more to this story, than just a food bank dispute. We will just have to wait to see if the party’s involved are going to let it be about “”just that”.

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    aghast!  December 3, 2011 at 4:45 PM

    The paper is trying to divert attention from other things like the Lee Enterprise bankruptcy so it picks on a ten million dollar a year non profit to take everyone’s mind off

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    Themguys  December 3, 2011 at 4:39 PM

    Oh Gene, you silly.

    What address would Mrs. Messerllie use to send gilded invitations to those stinky, smelly homeless people to attend her Invitation Only Soires? (sorry about the spelling)

    And SCDC and the Chamber of Consorts certainly don’t want them smelling up their brand new digs in the Visitor Center, built and paid for with Other Peoples’ Money. Hell these clowns don’t know any other way do they?

    Oh what problems they create for those of us working so hard to change things for the better here in Coos County – signed- Mrs. Messerlie, Little Al, and Big Jon.

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    Gene  December 3, 2011 at 12:10 PM

    Treating the poor, the hungry, and the cold, would look very good on SCDC’s resume, they have nothing else to show to the public, to justify getting another penny from tax payers. Why not horn-in on others work, when your well (Jordan-Cove LNG) comes up dry.

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    magix  December 3, 2011 at 9:57 AM

    Really? That is worth looking into all though it seems curious that SCDC economic development funds would be in competition with ORCCA community action but I do know ORCCA strives to find new ways to help provide for its clients, the poor, the hungry and the cold

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    Gene  December 3, 2011 at 9:44 AM

    Its not unknown, that ORCCA has resources that SCDC has been trying to capitalize on. SCDC must show results for all the monies they have gone through. ORCCA has a proven track record, SCDC needs that track record on their resume, to justify their existence. Staff at ORCCA have refused to be intimidated by SCDC, so they (SCDC) will sick their editorial dog on the staff at ORCCA. There it is folks. Like it or not.


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