Stufflebean and I have been engaged in a terse exchange today and I thought I would post it here.
>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 7:56 AM, “Mary Geddry” wrote:
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>>> Good morning, Kevin, I am still awaiting a reply. Why did you request handwritten notes instead of taped executive session? Was the session ultimately taped?
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>>> Are you going to attend the League of Women Voters debate?
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>>> There are reports of ongoing ULP violations wherein road department management are undertaking ‘bargaining unit’ work. Is this true? What impact will this have on the complaint filed with ERB?
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>>> Also, you never answered my questions regarding Dean Caudle. Please explain why no barriers were in place when he drowned?
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>>> Thank you,
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>>> Mary
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>>> ——– Original Message ——–
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>>> Subject:
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>>> League of Women Voters
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>>> Date:
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>>> Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:12:30 -0700
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>>> From:
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>>> Mary Geddry
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>>> To:
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>>> Kevin Stufflebean , jeanivey
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>>> Hi Kevin, Do you intend to attend the debate opportunity being offered by the League of Women Voters, April 29? Also, during the December 16, 2008 budget worksession upon entering into executive session you requested that only handwritten notes be taken rather than a taped session. Please explain why you requested that. Did the Board agree to written notes or was the session ultimately taped? Thank you, Mary
Stufflebean replied thusly –
Ask jacki on legal issues ask Bobbi on meeting issues and policy on minutes ask john about fishtrap
Thanks
Kevin Stufflebean
Commissioner
While Bobbi Brooks, clerk to the commissioners may be very talented ESP is not reported as one of her skills. Why would I ask Bobbi , for a hearsay explanation of Stufflebean’s reasons? If she knows and is willing to tell me why won’t he?
Are exchanged continues –
On Apr 14, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Mary Geddry wrote:
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> Why you would request written notes is not a legal issue
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> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
Yet another terse reply from Stufflebean
Read ore
Thanks
Kevin Stufflebean
Commissioner
One of two assumptions I made during this exchange occured with the assumption that ‘ore’ meant ORS. The second assumption is that he is afraid to answer,
The ORS does not require you to make a choice. It was your preference. Why won’t you answer the question? Why are you afraid to answer the question?
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
His answer follows
Your not asking questions, your making accusations and statements.
I have already told you to ask Bobbi about minutes and board policy. You obviously don’t understand that 1 commissioner does not do anything, that it takes a majority.
Thanks
Kevin Stufflebean
Commissioner
Yes, Kevin but only one commissioner asked for handwritten notes. You! Accusing me of being stupid does not change the fact that you asked for handwritten notes and were not required to do so by ORS.
My final attempt below –
Kevin this is a question. What accusation have I made?
So far, no answer…
To recap I asked Kevin why he would not want an executive session taped. I asked him about ongoing ULP violations at the road department. I asked what impact these may have on the outcome with ERB. I asked him why no barriers were in place when Dean Caudle drowned. I asked if he would attend the League of Women Voters debate.
Not one answer can be found above. Also, why would Bobbi Brooks be involved with scheduling a political event such as the League of Women Voters? Is that not a possible conflict? Running campaign politics out of a public office is I believe a violation of state and federal campaign laws.
UPDATE Finally, I asked Nikki (since Bob was not on the Board at the time) whether the executive session was recorded.
Hello Nikki,
Sorry, part of this exchange was not copied to you correctly so am forwarding again here. Kevin will not answer questions as recorded below and summarized here –
To recap I asked Kevin why he would not want an executive session taped. I asked him about ongoing ULP violations at the road department. I asked what impact these may have on the outcome with ERB. I asked him why no barriers were in place when Dean Caudle drowned. I asked if he would attend the League of Women Voters debate.Clearly, neither you nor Bobbi, unless one of you have mental telepathy, can answer why Kevin requested handwritten notes during an executive session. Further a hearsay or third party reply would not be useful anyway, however, you may be able to answer whether the December 16, 2008 executive session was in fact taped or not. So, was the executive session held at the end of the December 16, 2008 budget worksession taped or were handwritten notes used as per Kevin’s request?
Thank you,
Mary
Nikki, graciously sent me this reply shortly after I sent the above email “Mary – Bobbi says no it was not recorded. N”
This took all day, weeks if you consider when I first started asking, to get one answer. The charges that the managers are continuing to take over ‘bargaining unit work’ will have to go to Road Master Rowe, I guess, because the Road Master liaison isn’t talking.
I did arrive at the Coos County elections office about 3:45 PM, today. I received the grant Citizen tour, same tour for everyone, I now know more about the procedure for getting out an election than anyone might want to know about any particular subject.Â
There are no ballots in the Commissioners Court, CC, room. I saw for myself, on the tour.
It is interesting with a double election going on they need a place to first store the materials for the second election as well as to prepare it. All the final stuffing of the envelops, with the ballot, is done in the election office/room.Â
Sitting on the floor in the center of the election office are all the materials for the recall election to be mailed tomorrow, 4/17/2009. The pile is waist high and takes up most of the free space in the work area of the room. There are 38,000, voters.
At the same time preparation must be in process to prepare for the district election with a mail out of May 5. There just would be no room in the election office until the recall leaves to be mailed.
Then, with the ballots out on 4/17/2009, voters can start dropping them off or mailing them back in. So, by 4/21/09 a ballot could be back in election to be processed. It begins by verifying signatures. That is done in the area where the mail out sits on the floor today. Once that is out, that area then needs to be used for incoming ballot organizing and placing in boxes for counting.
If you were a number transposer person, working the election office may not be your first choice of activities.Â
I am sure you have heard “doing it by the numbers” this is were that saying must have come from.Â
Both of the employees in the office were helping me with questions, then one had to leave for an appointment, Terri showed up and she took my questions into the tour.Â
After all this work, on election day, May 5, 2009 all the ballots have to be processed, no matter how long it takes. At 8 PM election night, Terri can make the first announcement of results.
You can be there, at the election office to hear the announcement, be there or be square.
Here is some good information. County election site, on the County web page.
http://www.co.coos.or.us/elections/Recall_Petitions/R-2009-01/Press_Release_R-2009-01_04-13-09.pdf
den
They could do biding. I don’t know about the current programers for the current software in the assessors. Bob Main did do some talking about that. He felt they could possibly continue on with them or find someone else. The programers for the current system I don’t think are local. Who or where they are if the bit process does not happen, who, ever they local, state, or other they won’t have the chance.
Adam wants the top of the line system. Not just continuing on with the current operation software and equipment. My guess at understanding is that each year the assessor program has to have adjustments to it.
Measure 5 and 47 is what the software is based upon. Of all the counties in OR, only seven or eight have bought into the Consortium. So that means there are like several other counties who each year have their software updated by some one.
It you call and talk to Bob Main Ex 770, then you can be the expert from the expert and tell a story about all this, because I don’t know mush of anymore. I just want a public worksesssion, if that is what there plans are for a new computer/software system for the assessor/courthouse.
So let me get this straight, they have found a way to avoid giving local business a chance to bid on this system?
Are you serious Den?
Anyone know about this?
What gives?
I imagine they will chide us all Den, and say “you weren’t paying attention”. Okay, maybe not, but what does this mean? Sec. 121A, Part Dand C, Chapter 444kl;5/xxoxoxx? KMA?
Update 4:30 pm. Shawn told me it is Jackson County. I called a commissioner, Nikki. The process ended this morning open ended. They, assessor could have it on the agenda April 29, 2009-, or/and if they can get it together a late agenda item tomorrow, 4/15/2009.
Nikki thinks there is not much to be said about it in the form of public comment, they have been working on the for over two years and everyone knows about it. I just think that only includes everyone who is somebody.
For me I never heard the aging current computer programer was not going to do the program changes required any more. Dos he not have an apprentice, is there no local programer that can do this?
The three and one half month, old vacated assessor was able to use the computers, and as, well as the staff all these years, and thinks the equipment is still useable.
Is the governmental agreement a work around of the bid process. What public discloser comes before or after governmental agreements. Are they like agreements with the miners, “exempt from inspectionâ€.
Marry Barton says they are going to do a Intergovernmental contract, so it is not necessary to go out to bid.
Well it seems some MEN like Den do “take the bull by the horn”.
Thanks Den.
Kevin?
Waaaaa Waaaaaa Waaaaaaa.
some men are never weened.
They live their lives suckin on someone’s teat.
Kevin has Dead Eyes. Look at them, ain’t nobody in there.
Now,now, tsk tsk tsk, he hasn’t sent me to ask his mom yet.
Alert:
Marry Barton says they are going to do a Intergovernmental contract, so it is not necessary to go ot to bid.
I was informed af the noon break today while attending the Worksession budget in Coquille, Owns building, that tomorrow at the BOC meeting the vote for the new software/computer system for the Assessors office will come up as a late agenda item.
To verify it will be a late agenda item, call Bobby, 756-2020 ex 225, I will be out and may not get back before 5 PM.
Here is what happen as best I can figure. Different departments came before the BOC, going over their new budget, beginning after June 29, 2009. The Assessor, Adam Colby talked about software and computers. Marry Barton, County Treasure said the person who had been doing the software for the assessors computers is aging and will no longer upgrading the program. $500,000.00 is allocated in the budget, all is left is to vote, by the BOC to agree for the purchase of a new contract with a different venter.
Adam described the difficulty of Oregon property tax system which limits common tax software. One of the Counties a while back paid to have software developed for this tax system. Sense then this county has sold/contract the software to three or four other counties. This is what Adam proposes to do with the $500,000.00. The County must be Jackson, not sure. Adam said He and some other department persons when there last September to review the programs, and this is what he wants to do.
Marry Barton says they are going to do a Intergovernmental contract, so it is not necessary to go out to bid.
As government goes it becomes self feeding, cut into the process, in fact there is no longer a need for the process, or for the public to find out any details before or during the process, just, we found that to be the best way to do it, so we did that way, yes it cut public comment, so what.
The process, go out for bit.
There you have it, do your own due searching from here. You can call a Commissioner about this also. They are in that budget session for a while yet.
den
No, he hides behind womens’ skirts.
Mommy, Mommy, Mommy.
What a guy, huh?
Refers every question to a woman doesn’t he?
Ask jacki, ask bobbie, ask anyone but me.
Molly always said “A liar will ALWAYS trip himself up sooner or later”.
If Kevin doesn’t want to answer to the public in writing, we’ll just have to shout him out.
Well, I have been copying both Nikki and Bob on these exchanges.
Perhaps the public should take the bull by the horns and start asking Nikki whether the session was taped or not because Kevin does not answer questions… he just sulks
We need to email Nikky and Kevin asking the exact same question.
They STILL work for us.