Public sentiment regarding Coos County improving W Beaver Hill Road to industrial grade to accommodate ORC is getting mired within legislative issues surrounding proportional use. The County may not charge more for damage or maintenance than the proportional use of any entity causing wear and tear or damage upon our roads. Therefore, the County has attempted to determine how existing traffic will impact the section of road without mining relating loads to determine the County’s fair share. The problem is that the road is adequately engineered for its historic purpose (occasional timber cutting and residential traffic) but the proposed mining activities have converted the road to industrial use requiring an ‘industrial grade’ road.
Honestly, I don’t see why the County should have any proportional share of an entirely new use or requirement for a private enterprise.
Meanwhile, I know that others are very interested in discussing similar issues regarding the airport so I will open this topic up for discussion on that and other taxpayer subsidies.
Wow! No credit available to start up mines and ORC are suggesting a $45M capital requirement… what will they do? *I added a power point presentation on the post above that outlines the $45M*
While I understand and agree with the general premise of proportional use I question whether the intent of the ‘law’ really applies in the case of W Beaver Hill Road. The road is a fully functioning and suitable rural road. Only one user requires its upgrade to an industrial grade road – only one – the rest of the county is satisfied with it as it is (well it could use a bike lane).
Mining operations will cease eventually assuming they ever start. So why are we applying a proportional share formula for a single user? We need a lawyer to look into the original intent of the law and this Nolan and Dolan test they defer to.
It is sad that we have a government and society that appears to have been infected with incompetence from the top down.
This is an interview with Jim Rogers on 2-25-09.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBRHmZiAEcs
I have referred to the PXX report in other post. That is Public Works Management, Inc. Well, yesterday someone pointed out to me that the PXX, is really PWM. If you looking at front page upper left of center, let your eyes relax while looking at the PXX, and you see P, with a W, sitting on top of an M. Interesting eye game.
Den,
Shrink, parent or both?
There is this family type operation. I say family because the dynamic interchange in public is like a family might operate. There are the parents. In this case, the Mom and the Dad. Then, there is this Uncle Bob. Like any family the parents make the serious decisions which can have the greatest consequences for the families future. There are times when they let Uncle Bob weigh in on an issue. But often on the, big issues his weigh in’s are not considered.
Sinse, like most family units there are the kids. As they interact each learns techniques relating to asking for what they want, and giving and getting permission, when permission is sought?
In these situations it is always the dynamic of who has the power. Parents, or Kids. The kids develop skills in approach which are result oriented. Knowing that if they don’t get the permission sought, they could rebel, and take there action requested either openly or covertly.
Thusly all action of the kids before the parents must be represented by the parents that they and they only have the power. When Uncle Bob is allowed to weigh in, the kids must be reminded, who the parents are.
I observed the skill level as the kids grew in experience. Always ask for an activity to happen, with the person present who will be part of the activity. Another way, play the parents off against each other. Best by informing one parent in advance about what you want. The other parent is caught by surprise. It even is better if one of possible decision makers is an authority in activity the kids want to control. Then a power struggle ensues, and the parents excerpt their total power and control, even when Uncle Bob clearly has the advantage of experience in the situation, it is necessary for the parents to exercise their power, and in doing so it becomes the power which is the issue, which the kids use to get the yes, yes yes.
In these type situation parents can use the time out principle. Or the wait a minuet theme. “I will get back with you and we will talk more before I make the decision†“I need more informationâ€. “Lets set a time to continue our discussion†These themes can be enforced with words like “never the less†and “regardlessâ€.
Using some of these procedures when confronted with request for immediate decisions which effect future operations and soundness of the family, can go a long way to insure positive outcomes.
Gosh, I wish themguys, a ch 14 junkie, was back from Colorado to keep up with you, Cajun. This is definitely a touchy subject with a lot of people and I am only now beginning to appreciate how badly the entire thing may have been handled.
Airport!
I can’t take it any more! Piss $3,800 away in Jet Setting and then have the balls to say, “Numbers I don’t need to know no stinking numbers! They mean nothing to me, just give me a little bit of chunky & a little bit of plumpy, mixem all together on a page for me”. Oh really? What about the gal who stood up and said you gave me two documents with redundant figures but neither set of numbers matched! You can’t even tell me the correct set to apply! Will the real slim shady please stand up? “Yo Guido…you talkin nickles and cents? What’s nickle and cents”? The truth is, a difference of around 20%, you know fuzzy numbers…I move to hereby issue these board members ASS HATS! I’m not going to sign it you sign it! Lets get Mikey to sign it, he’ll sign it, he’ll sign anything!
You must have been watching Channel 14! Great character analyses! Ever since you mentioned the ‘flip’ I am more and more convinced there may be something to that. Meanwhile the taxpayers are committed to paying $450K for the privilege of granting a use permit to ORC.
Sold To You!
Quote by Klondike Joe,
“Black Sand and Industrial Minerals” “Placer Deposits” I see, Chromite is too limiting in legalese? “Chromite is the necessary component to stainless steal this is why we are interested”. Followed by, “We don’t want it for stainless we want it for mold making”. OK, so which story are you going to go with?
Now here is an interesting tidbit on placer deposits.
Exceptionally dense substances such as gold and the platinum group members will accumulate in placers, when they are present. Placer mining is an important source of gold, and was the main technique used in the early years of the California Gold Rush.
Substances commercially mined from placer deposits:
* Gold
* Platinum group metals
* Tin
* Diamonds
* Thorium
* Uranium (from paleoplacers)
Industrial minerals – Commercially mined…Close enough for me.
Whittfraud “Oh Shit! Don’t show the permit!”
Klondike Joe “The permit for {everything} we do”.
I bet it IS…
Slick Willy has body language that contradicts his statements. Your nose will grow if you fib.
Key words…Choose To Do
Slick & Whit “ABA DABA AH mommy ABA ABA daddy A YADA YADA ABA”
Commissioners, do you or do you not own a shit load of penny stock?
Once this permit is issued there will be a press release issued to the stock trading community. The stock pumpers pop the stock from 4.6 cents a share all the way up to $3 a share. So if you had $10,000 worth you it would be $138,000 in the blink of an eye. Then you dump on the poor unsuspecting schmucks and the stock returns back to .0003 a share. Now this is the big kicker. MR. Miner, I will push your permit through if you would sell me 500,000 shares for $100 and transfer those shares into my Roth 401K or my wife’s, sons, daughters, niece… You get the picture…LOL
Was that Bill Murray representing the mining company? LOL
PsssT!
Why aint this a purdy joint?
http://www.oceanairaviation.com/
Bets anyone? Is this connected to the board in any way shape or form?
“Tug” on this one for a while…
See link at bottom to get in high gear.
Mike, your going to step up and take the hit. Sorry Mike, I have to do this from hind sight. You All, did it from, “four†site. Yup, you brought them federal and state dollars back to the community. Completion of short term, construction projects with doubtful sustainable future services. Now, with all that money spent you have to try to maintain an operation and pay your water/sewer and heating bills.
Your airport board “had as a goal eliminating the local property tax as a revenue source and to rely on user fees. This has been the reason we have opted to charge for parking.†Catch that word “had†must have changed the goal now and opted for both the tax dollars and the parking fees
The great accomplishment here is a new albatross airport terminal, higher air fairs to Portland with reduced flights, poor scheduling, and subsidizing a new air carrier for the benefit of some special interest groups. OH, and the golfers are now in, out of the rain at the old remodeled terminal.
If for real, the new terminal construction and plans were based upon the 10 year doubling of planes landing and passengers through the airport. Can not believe that was based upon just commercial traffic. Were did they all go? Clearly all that incoming increased traffic was coming through the existing system. Flights from the north. Now with flights from both directions, the carrier is being subsidized. I guess, the whole terminal system will soon have to be.
If in fact there were increase foot traffic coming through the terminal, the larger Horizon aircraft were perfect for the task. In fact they may have been able to turn a profit at the old terminal fee rate.
Your trying to tell us there is no local tax dollars in the pot. I don’t believe it. Does that include the South Coast Development Council, SCDC advertising and lobbying activities? I think you left out SCDC is subsidized with our tax and fee dollars from the communities in this County.
“Airport fundsâ€. These are the return on capital expenditure. Just like the County Natural Gas pipe line. Give the profits away in subsidies. Public boards and commissions have BIG problems trying to do business for profit with public money and partnerships, the public seems to always take it in the shorts.
You don’t need the feed back from this letter, your getting it from the community and tax payers, and soon the voters, but the board still has wax in their ears.
http://www.theworldlink.com/articles/2009/03/03/opinion/editorial/doc49ad7bb0e43b2038770979.txt#blogcomments