Earlier today I sent the following email to Commissioner Cam Parry to try and learn why the Coos County Commission is so confident tribal management of the CBWR lands is beneficial enough to finance trips to Washington, DC. Also, I wanted to discover if the CBWR proposal had been appended to any other pending legislation
Hi Cam, hope you are home safe and sound. Attached is an analysis of the County Payments Act that is illustrative of the type of due diligence the commission should be conducting along with an EIS before it offers blanket support and actively lobbies Congress on behalf of tribal management of CBWR.
Additionally, in the absence of any data provided from the BOC or the tribe it appears that the only way the projected revenue target of $185 million over ten years can be met is to violate existing environmental protections. If this assumption is untrue, please provide some data and analysis that supports the tribal proposal and justifies the county’s investment.
Lastly, has the tribal proposal been crafted into legislative language and inserted into any legislation expected to be voted upon by this Congress? If so, please provide a bill number so that we may track its progress.
Thank you,
Mary
As documented on this blog I have submitted my questions to Parry and the Coquille Tribe and while everyone has been congenial I have yet to receive any answers, so I was a bit frustrated when Parry once again referred me to the tribe.
Dear Mary –
Would you be kind enough to direct your questions to Tim and Brett this week? Kennie and I have had a very sad week and we are taking some time to deal with all of it.
Thank you so much and please take care –
Cam
Either our commissioners know and understand what they are supporting or they don’t but if they know something the rest of us do not, they need to cough it up right away. Obviously the tribe is under no obligation to answer my questions but what is becoming increasingly obvious is that all three commissioners are relying entirely upon representations made by the Coquille Tribe to base their decisions. Not one of them has undertaken any independent due diligence or analysis to validate the claims of jobs, revenue and environmental protections. The actions of all three commissioners, Parry, Bob Main and Fred Messerle appear reckless and grossly and perhaps criminally negligent.
Letters or emails to our Congressional representatives asking if they have any knowledge of pending legislative action on this matter is strongly recommended.
Gene and Magix? I grew up in Cali, I know lots of them.
Good morning !
Good point, Gene
yea pcomyhrt is shorthand for ‘piece of my heart’. What guy you know would use that handle.
Golly, playing a bit of catch up here and I notice there is an assumption that pcomyhrt is female. That has been my guess also, although I always think Big Al’s comments sound like they are written by a woman until I read his name.
Perhaps, pcomyhrt can explain what she knows that the rest of the public doesn’t know that gives her comfort the CBWR/Coquille deal will provide the county money. Perhaps, Big Al can demonstrate his business acumen by producing a spreadsheet or power point that explains the formulas behind the jobs creation and revenue figures claimed by the county and the tribe. After all a good businessman always does his due diligence before he invests.
They DO work for US, remember?
I do, they don’t.
These people aren’t stupid, just greedy. The damage to their credibility has been done, it can’t be undone.
A lot of us are willing to back new players, but shucking the old guard seems unlikely (too much money involved and too many friends in high places) without having some investigations about corruption. The Oregon Attorney General must have its own problems with Kitzhabers gang, or are we just too far away from Salem to matter.
It’s not pleasant for any of us to watch this ‘clear cut’ corruption, and find that the leader of our state government is in it up to his neck (with LNG, the RR, and the corruption at the port at the very minimum), with these people,The ports hidden lobbyist (Jon Barton)has control of the BOC, he gets to interview public employees (for loyalty?) and recommends what the BOC does.
The OAG will have to take on Kitzhaber to investigate the corruption in Coos County. He’s not up to the task, so the local drama goes on. Now if one of their own were to blow a whistle (like Kevin Stufflebean did accidentally when he was worried that Andy would defeat him last election), that might do the trick in making the investigation happen. You followers of that crowd should welcome the investigation for your own piece of mind.
How polite you are Gene. I, on the other hand, have NO problem making the accusation that this is a cooked deal, and the BOC wants to get half of the proceeds from absolutely raping the land, as they’ve done before. I am usually a huge supporter of most native projects, this one stinks. The BOC knows full well the land will be damaged and slashed and sold to the lowest bidder. I’m sorry poly, it’s that thin veneer of respect thingey, again.
poly, or Al? Why isn’t the BOC discussing this “deal” with We The People? When these clowns insist on doing their business in the dark, there’s a reason why. We want to know what that is. They DO work for US, remember?
Pcomyhrt says ,For example, the county is fortunate the tribe has included us in the possible management of CBWR lands. The tribe is the only entity the Feds would even consider managign the land.
It appears the opposite to me, the tribe is fortunate the boc is willing to give over control to them to expedite more logging without as many possible regulations or oversight. There does not appear to be any other reason for our commissioner/lobbyist to give away so much to so few, except for the possibility of more harvest without oversight.
A clear win for the logging industry would or could be appropriate if the country were in a building boom, but that is not the case at this time, if the logs get debarked and sent to china that is a misuse of the public lands.
That does appear to be the plan based on current events.
No-one has adequately explained to the public, the need to give control to the tribe, except for the one I just listed.
Mary, Gee you sure got people riled up. Personally, I know how I felt when my mother died. It takes a lot out of anyone and Cam Perry deserves a bye on this one. Give the man a break for a week or two. That said, Messerle and Perry both were APPOINTED neither has enjoyed one single vote of the people. I would be very upset with the Coos County Commissioners for their drastic moves and big deals with out a vote of the people. I am sure there are many who would vote for them but the fact is they have no mandate to take the big steps under way. Their role ought to be as caretakers learning about the county and maintaining stability until they can gain a mandate. The are moving quickly before they can be stopped and this suggests they are pulling fast one’s at the expense of the people of Coos County. Keep up the good work Ms. Geddery. If the commissioners don’t like you it is because you have their feet in the fire. Imagine what they would ber trying if you were quiet and accomodating.
You’re right, I never should have stooped to your level with name calling. But, it’s impossible to argue with people who minds are closed. No argument, no matter how convincing would make any difference. For example, the county is fortunate the tribe has included us in the possible management of CBWR lands. The tribe is the only entity the Feds would even consider managign the land. The county has been trying for over 20 years, but it will never happen. Any money we get out of this agreement is like a gift from the tribe.
thieves vs trolls.
I think I like being a troll over a corrupt thief.
No explaining of how great it will be if we get out of their way will remove the thievery involved (eminent domain land seizures) . You will never be able to justify this stealing of others property under the current conditions (exporting gas).
Shut down your ethics and morals to do business with these players, as it appears our “elected reps” have done. All you have is name calling, to justify your position.
What kind of argumentative skill does that expose.
I have my respect from respectable people – not you trolls.
pcomyhrt ?
Why sweetie, you must remember these are PUBLIC employees. What part of that can’t you wrap your sweet brain around?
And M is right, county staff, other than legal has not been ‘trolled’ on this site that I am aware of.
Have a wonderful day here in Coos County.
Sorry some of us have lost that thin veneer of respect you want back.
pcomyhrt and Al, just cant stand it when we aren’t talking about the thieves in charge.
This site has many causes it champions for its existence. LNG brought me into the fray as it has others I’m sure. County logging and mining ventures have become suspect since the same players trying to bring LNG here are involved in these resources being harvesting as well.
The people have lost the ability to believe in local leaders, because those people are seen as stuffing their pockets full of tax payer money at everyone else’s expense.
pcomyhrt’s comment of calling everyone trolls, seems like someone benefiting from those same dollars, and doesn’t like the guilt feeling associated with those dollars, so she attacks any and everyone that has an opinion about how wrong that is for everyone else.
Al’s going for the power of office and this is his test, at least to himself. If he can quell disinters then he will prove his worthiness to Jon Barton and friends.
At least we know the gang is watching, but I don’t think their learning anything but hatred for other humans. The greed inside is to strong for their conscience to bare, and this is how they present it to us.
Keep stirring the pot Al. it just brings up the rest of us.
To my knowledge outside of criticizing some of the commissions actions, no author has criticized county staff, quite the contrary.
I think Al is absolutely right – all you trolls have nothing positive to say. You’re negative all the time about anything the Board of Commissioners does. Even though I agree that Bob Main is an idiot – the rest of the county employees aren’t nearly as bad. Get a life and stop whining and complaining.
With so much sheet blowing around Coos County, how the hell do you expect us to know when to stop shovellng Al?
Some fine Americans are getting tired of cleaning up after your ilk Al. You and yours got us into this mess, now suddenly, you want the rest of us to act like we don’t know you’re sheeting on us?
Those days are gone forever, Al.
R&J: I would have bet $1k that you two wouldn’t know when to stop shoveling. I was right.
“Your response to the death of Cam’s mother is mean and detestable.”
Sorry, unlike you Al, I don’t have crystal balls, I doubt MGX does, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Now, how can you accuse us of the above? No one told us, and this is nothing more than a diversion to the facts concerning the actions of the BOC. I know the pain of losing our parents. It’s not been that long for me either, but when asked, I had/have no problem telling friends and others why I was mourning. This is a made up whiney-arse issue for all of you C. of Consorts-sorts. YOU are the intelligent communicators, YOU are the ones who have directed this county right into the poor-house Al. Now you want changes to ‘seven families” having all the power? You operate under one of them as we speak don’t you? At least. Anyway, keep your whining to the issues Al, those of us who don’t know Cam personally had NO damn way of knowing what he was going through. A PUBLIC person is just that Al,remember? We’re talking about his job or lack thereof, and his participation in issues citizens are trying to figure out. He’s not helping with tirades like this from his supporters.
“Do you people have any idea what a tiny little role this county plays in the universe? Are these “issues” so important that they demand you’re full-time scrutiny, ridiculous and reckless accusations of “conspiracy”, “ineptness”, “knee jerk decision making”, “good buddy decisions”, etc?”
Funny how you fight for recognition in a county as unimportant as Coos County isn’t it Al? I’m not the one running to put my arse on these ‘committes’, you are.
Which is it Al? Not worth the effort or something you’re making a huge grab for?
Themguys/Mary/et al: you’re asking Main for an apology after these insensitive responses to Cam’s mother’s death? “Criminally Negligent”? “Reckless”? Are you serious? Clearly, you believe your demands to receive the answers that YOU want to hear to YOUR questions takes priority over all things happening in the universe. Do you people have any idea what a tiny little role this county plays in the universe? Are these “issues” so important that they demand you’re full-time scrutiny, ridiculous and reckless accusations of “conspiracy”, “ineptness”, “knee jerk decision making”, “good buddy decisions”, etc? Your response to the death of Cam’s mother is mean and detestable. You want to be taken seriously? Then stop acting like a bunch of petulant children. Act professional. Talk professional. Stop accusing everyone of being a crook, because they’re not. Stop with the ridiculous conspiracy theories and accusations. You all act like you have all the answers and that you walk on water. You attend all the meetings but you’re still stunningly uninformed. Maybe it’s lack of business experience. Maybe it’s lack of dealing with other professional people. But if you deal with people one-on-one the same way you deal with them on this blog, then don’t expect anyone to give you hugs and kisses every time you show up. And now, we’ll see who doesn’t have a clue about when it’s time to throw the shovel away…
Wow, I’m blinded by DeeLynns’ obvious plug for Cam, and defense of all the wondrous new changes Cam has been a part of.
Excuse me Dee, but perhaps you can educate we cave dwellers to the magnificence of his actions. Some of us aren’t Chamber of Consorts members, and still believe any person begging for a public position, should be just a tad more transparent and professional than these clowns are capable of. and EXCUSE us for not knowing his mother died. We aren’t all that intimate remember. And your facts are wrong too.
No Dee Lynn, you are mistaken. I am frustrated because I and others have been asking these questions for weeks and in my case have been referred to the tribe each time and still have no answers. Further, referring back to the tribe indicates there is no independent analysis. If it is such a good deal why not explain how they arrive at their claims?
Parry’s Industrial Acquisition concept seems to be a good idea on the face of it assuming it has moved along. Beyond that I not sure what he has done differently except help appoint committees populated by chamber of commerce members
Gee, as an orphan myself now, wouldn’t it have been an easy thing to just say, my mother passed away, I’m out of town? Or something of the like? He’s being paid to be a professional, perhaps during this time he will be able to think about that too. My condolences to Cam, sincerely. But hey buddy, you wanted this job, it pays very well for this area, and now the communication is no better than this?
Once again, instead of doing your business in an open manner, the words start flying, and this is the result. Let’s please stop this nonsense that the public has no right to know the important things. These guys don’t get it — still.
Seriously? You sent an e-mail to Commissioner Parry on Saturday and were so frustrated when he didn’t drop everything going on in his busy weekend to “cough up” a deep analysis that would live up to your expectations, that you posted a public rebuke on the *same* day? That’s a bit much. Especially considering that his mother, who had been living with them for the last few months had just died two days earlier.
After reading your blog for the last few months, I’m wondering if the regulars here have any life at all outside of attending BOC meetings and opposing whatever the commissioners do? If you all put half as much energy into finding a positive way to make this county better instead of carping about minutiae, perhaps this county really would be a better place to live. Sorry if this seems harsh but not everyone thinks the way you do. Working with the tribe is far preferable to cutting them out of the deal – after all, they used to own all this land. Parry has brought some remarkable out-of-the-box thinking to the BOC table and the county is finally moving into the 21st century with representation for more than just the nine families who have ruled the area for decades. Even though he’s been in office just a few months, he’s already done more than Stufflebean did in years and his actions are benefitting everyone, not just a few select. We’re getting far more than our money’s worth out of what he earns in salary and most locals are very happy with his work. I wish this blog were not so completely biased.
I heard that this afternoon also which would explain being sad
Parry’s mother has died after a battle with cancer I was told. Guess that is what is the sad week he mentioned
Just posted on the World -as it is – another closed session is in the works.
COQUILLE — County commissioners will hold a closed-door meeting at the Courthouse at 2 p.m. today to discuss an employment matter.
The meeting is a continuation of a meeting held last Monday that was put into recess.
The commissioners are citing two reasons for the private meeting: To review or evaluate a public officer or employee, and consider the dismissal or discipline of a public officer or employee.
If the commissioners make a decision against the employee, the public may be invited into the meeting.
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Posted in Local on Monday, September 26, 2011 8:53 am
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Yes, and I think they just pretend to know something that we supposedly don’t know to cover up for their own ineptitude.
local officials don’t make informed decisions they make knee jerk decisions and good buddy decisions
This has gone on for weeks with no direction from anyone on the BOC. Looks to me they do not intend to do so.
Main has a burr up his butt that obviously cannot see the forest for the fur. And I mean that in the most kind of ways. These three are doing exactly as they please, to hell with the public. Main still owes an apology for his treatment of the public asking questions. He needs a scolding good !