Bring your friends and join us for the FERC scoping protest. This is an official action, reached by consensus, at the Occupy Oregon South Coast General Assembly. We will be meeting at the entrance to SWOCC on Newmark Avenue in Coos Bay at 5:30 on Monday, August 27, to protest the LNG proposed export facility and power plant. It will be short and quick, protesting only from 5:30-6:00 P.M. Wear anti LNG or Occupy T-shirts if you have them. We will have “No LNG” signs available, or bring your own. (Bring other non-protest shirts to wear to the actual scoping, if you attend.) Scoping is from 6:30 until all comments have been heard. (Each person who makes comments has a 3 minute time limit.) You can choose to make written comments, comment at the scoping, or do both.
Hows your plan going to get a public viewing of “Carbon Nation” in the community?
Have you had any response from the people you contacted about that film?
I thought you had a great idea to arrange that.
It’s coming along very well, I think. Want to help? Contact me at
markmckelveyshow@gmail.com
MarkM says, I don’t see you offering a plan to provide them with the power they demand sans fossil fuels.
Two comments about that.
I would take the all the tax dollars that have been slated for helping this project come to fruition, and reroute it to helping those other energy sources get a foothold in our community. The same jobs that are happening everywhere but Coos Bay.
Second, that plant does nothing to give us local electricity.
But you’ve heard that all before. Its just not the answer you can or will accept. So you will keep asking the same thing over and over until you have to answer it yourself with the answer you want.
Pointing out your party positions does give me a bizarre feeling of necessity. Its not personal. its also not going to be sugar coated.
The movement may be leaderless, agenda-less, and issue-less as you think it is. However its not clueless.
Yes everyone wants jobs, but not everyone wants the jobs your party is offering up first as a requirement to get the other jobs that you yourself espouse. The Democrats can’t continue to hold those other jobs hostage. To tell people essentially that if you want those jobs you have to accept these fossil industry jobs first. That’s the nonsense that has been put forward by your group since Jordan Cove came to town.
We saw Caddy and Jeff Bishop take a trip to Europe on a mission to elevate their position on energy. What do we hear about that. Take gas and coal to improve your economy FIRST.The others aren’t ready for prime time and they wont be until we build these infrastructures first.
The positions haven’t changed because of who the local Dems are supporting, the 1%. Don’t take it so personal Mark, that you have become the local poster child for this “progressive” Dem party. You have injected yourself right where you are.
That question shows how out of touch you are. Asking what project specifically the 99%, or the occupy movement stands for or against, shows that you really just don’t get it. The movement must be operating at an above-ground level that just doesn’t’ make sense to these democrats. We know how the GOP sees that movement, just look at how Newt talked about them. They see that group as revolting, the same way the Dems see the T-party-ers.
The dems are having a hard time seeing their kids, parents, and some grand parents that have left the party and in some cases never cared to join.
Here’s a clue Mark, think about who that project is helping first and most. Its not the 99%, if that’s what your thinking. A word of caution. The more you try to sell it, the more you separate yourself and your party, from the people you claim to represent. It will take a protest on a global level to stop the people with your mindset.
I fear Mark has blinders. Fossil fuel subsidies far outweigh renewables. (search this site, there is a great graphic on here somewhere). Mark also fails to factor in the costs of healthcare and lost productivity associated with fossil fuels. Lastly, Germany already uses a lot of distributed energy and people are working on it here (in spite of a ban on wind). Resistance to distributed power comes from the corporate level because they haven’t figured out how to obtain exclusive licenses to the wind and the sun just yet
Mary, I am NOT antithetical to renewable energy. I think we should be doing everything we can to develop and utilize it. I’m starting a solar project at my house! My point is that renewables CANNOT produce the energy that people want. My system is state of the art, yet it only produces about one-third of what my household consumes over the course of a year — and only when the sun is shining. I NEED centralized power or else I am sitting in the dark eating cold beans (and not posting on MGx!) There are not many folks willing to live on only the energy their house or land can produce and nothing else. At this point in time it is completely unrealistic to suggest that as a viable option. One day? Sure, of course — but that day is decades away. What do we do until then?
You are correct about fossil fuel subsidies and ancillary costs. Despite those factors, they are STILL cheaper. And easier. If they weren’t a country like India would build decentralized renewable energy projects across its country and instantly gain energy independence. Same thing in the developing Third World. Or Japan, or Germany. This is not happening because the economics and the gross energy production do not pencil out. For now. That is a cold reality that no one on this board wants to face. It’s easier to castigate me than deal with the truth. Whatever. But you can’t be a part of the real solution until you recognize the real problem. We’re stronger if we work together.
TR, my understanding of this movement (which I support) is that it is leaderless, agenda-less, and issue-less with the possible exception of Wall St reform in a very non-descript kind of way. It’s arrogant to assume the group supports or doesn’t support any one thing unless the General Assembly approves it by 100% consensus. Did it? That’s my question. If you were there and you know a fact, please share. Otherwise I don’t see the point of your post, other than to criticize me which may make you feel better in some bizarre way, but does nothing to solve anyone’s particular problem.
The great majority of the 99% in Coos County want jobs. I don’t see you offering a plan to create them. They also want their lights to come on when they flip the switch; like it or not the great majority don’t really care where the power comes from. I don’t see you offering a plan to provide them with the power they demand sans fossil fuels.
You can oppose this project because it’s unjust, or that project because it’s impure, but until you propose something that will directly benefit them, the vast majority of the 99% will not take you seriously.
Has Occupy taken an official position against LNG? It certainly should not be viewed as a default position.